Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care

TrudyRN · Aug 28, 2006

Personally, I'd rather see grocery workers make $19 an hour than see some sleazy executive make $30 million a year off of those same grocery workers.

You're durn tootin'!

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Aug 28, 2006

We need to help these people survive, the fact is they are here to stay, they are not going away, we need to help them many of them are working at wages we would never work for. Take that away from them and the only thing left for them would be to steal in order to survive.

You've got to be kidding! I have no obligation to help these people survive.

We need to deport illegal immigrants because they're here unlawfully. Their very presence in the United States is breaking the law.

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Aug 28, 2006

As long as they are working hard and are not performing criminal activity then let them live, if they are destructive then send them back to their country.

Don't you get it?! Any person who is in this country illegally is, in reality, performing criminal activity because they broke American laws to come here.

arelius · Aug 28, 2006

But when you turn a blind eye to them coming in, it is an implied consent.
Tonight . . . 6-8 thousand people will illegally cross our southern border. What will we do about it? Why, give them a job of course.
It is illegal, but until we CHOOSE to enforce our own laws, the dinner we've set for them and invited them to accept is a clear invitation to the party.
The history of 8 million others that preceded the immigrant that crosses TONIGHT does imply consent.
Or, to put it in context, how fast would YOU drive if you knew the highways weren't seriously monitored by police? But, THAT'S ILLEGAL!
~faith,
Timothy.

It doesn't matter if the enforcement isn't top notch. The fact is it is illegal to cross the border and those illegals know that. That is why they sometimes hire coyotes, dig tunnels, etc... Just because the enforcement sucks doesn't mean they have a free invitation to the "party". And to be technical, there is a lot of enforcement, just not enough. And it doesn't matter what kind of examples you give because I could turn around and do the same:

If it's illegal to go into someones house without permission, but the door is open and the police don't enforce that law then I'm sure you wouldn't mind all the people coming into your home?

charebec65 · Aug 28, 2006

That article says that possibly 30% of illegals have forged papers....I believe the percentage is much, much higher.

I was in my bank a couple of months ago. A Hispanic man was attempting to cash a check at the bank...not putting any in an account. The teller asked for some form of identification. He stated that he had none. However, there was either a state ID or DL from the state of Tennessee in his wallet...... Why lie?

charebec65 · Aug 28, 2006

Last I checked it was illegal to cross the border without permission. The door isn't open, the door is closed but many illegal immigrants decide to open the door one way or another. And just because the door is open doesn't mean you give another person the right to enter.

MMMM I wonder what would happen if I crossed the border into Mexico without getting a VISA, or overstaying a VIA, and got caught..?

If did didn't get caught do you think they would pay me tax free dollars under the table, give me food stamps and free health care?

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 29, 2006

i like your thinking here timothy..... do you have legal training in some respect? just curious..... i used to be a paralegal...

the supreme court explicitly expanded the 14th amendment in wong kim ark and ruled that being born on american soil makes you an american citizen even if your biological parents are ineligible for citizenship and that government cannot use this as a reason to deny citizenship. the court has revisited this issue on several occasions and not reversed itself. bottom line of the ruling is that us citizenship through birth in the us is a constitutional right. the un declaration of human rights of which our government is a signatory also establishes that all people have a right to a nationality. any attempt of congress to redefine citizenship issues would be subject to court challenge and ruled as unconstitutional by the courts. (arguably there would also be due process violations, cruel and unusual punishment arguments as well as a violation of the ninth and tenth amendment issues relating to reserved rights of the people.)

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Aug 29, 2006

MMMM I wonder what would happen if I crossed the border into Mexico without getting a VISA, or overstaying a VIA, and got caught..?

The Mexican government would definitely give you free shelter - in a local jailhouse.

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Aug 29, 2006

It's a widespread belief, one reinforced by public officials including President Bush: "Illegal immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do.''
But it's being challenged in a five-year study that concludes millions of undereducated Americans are without work in a labor market oversaturated by illegal immigrants.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601711/posts

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 29, 2006

If we as a nation want to reduce the numbers of illegal immigrants who are trying to come here we as a nation need to aggressively support the development of democratic institutions in every country south of the border. Part of the impetus for immigration issues is hunger and powerlessness. When people are unable to support their families and their children are hungry they become in effect economic refugees.

From The Nation:

Citizens' power is trickier to measure than reducing hunger, but it may well be even more important. When you "forget how to say 'yes, sir' and learn to say 'I think that'"--that is when a "citizen is born," Brazilian MST leader João Pedro Stédile stressed to me; and, "like riding a bike," you don't forget.

The right to eat is a beautiful and simple concept touching our most natural instinct for life in community. But its realization flows from perhaps an even more foundational right--the right to power--which in turn demands a reframing of democracy itself. Much more than a legal structure, democracy vital enough to end hunger is the living practice of citizen power creating strong communities. And it is happening.

TrudyRN · Aug 29, 2006

I know this post is going to be slightly off the subject, but here it is. It would be nice if more illegal immigrants settled in sporificely populated states such as Wyoming or North Dakota to alleviate the 'congestion' that has occurred in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

They congregate where there is work and where they know people, I think.

TrudyRN · Aug 29, 2006

When i say put yourself in others situation and there would be less problems, i mean stop being self centered and think about others. Thats the reason why this country has so many problems already because of people who are in high places who dont care about anybody else, except themselves and their own.

What about the governments of the countries where these illegals originate? Let's crucify the right governments.