Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 27, 2006

when has trying to survive become a illegal activity?
If people would put themselves in others situation, there would be a lot less problems.

So, if I put myself in their situation, our trauma centers will re-open, crime would drop, wages for jobs such as landscaping would rise, and people won't continue to suffer and die in the desert?

I didn't realize it was that easy...

Unfortunately, here in the real world, there are real problems associated with illegal immigration. Being empathetic does not make those problems go away.

Asklepios · Aug 27, 2006

when has trying to survive become a illegal activity?

When one crosses a border into a country they do not have the legal right to be in...

It would be a better world if everyone could be safe, healthy, and cared for. But there's enough legal residents of the US who need the social services our taxes pay for. Allowing people to come here illegaly and request those services puts an unfair strain on the system and on taxpayers.

If Colorado's approach works, people will be less inclined to go there when they illegaly enter the US. Now, if all states did it, people would be less inclined to cross the border in the first place.

hope3456, ASN, RN · Aug 27, 2006

When one crosses a border into a country they do not have the legal right to be in...
It would be a better world if everyone could be safe, healthy, and cared for. But there's enough legal residents of the US who need the social services our taxes pay for. Allowing people to come here illegaly and request those services puts an unfair strain on the system and on taxpayers.
If Colorado's approach works, people will be less inclined to go there when they illegaly enter the US. Now, if all states did it, people would be less inclined to cross the border in the first place.

And other states are watching closely......

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 27, 2006

And other states are watching closely......

Hopefully.....

studentmalenurse · Aug 28, 2006

So, if I put myself in their situation, our trauma centers will re-open, crime would drop, wages for jobs such as landscaping would rise, and people won't continue to suffer and die in the desert?
I didn't realize it was that easy...
Unfortunately, here in the real world, there are real problems associated with illegal immigration. Being empathetic does not make those problems go away.

When i say put yourself in others situation and there would be less problems, i mean stop being self centered and think about others. Thats the reason why this country has so many problems already because of people who are in high places who dont care about anybody else, except themselves and their own.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 28, 2006

So low income Americans without health insurance are in high places? I bet you don't live anywhere even close to the border. Your generalizations are overly simplified. You can't even imagine the problems that the border states face everyday.

So the boycott wasn't self-centered? The demands for public assistance aren't self-centered? Special treatment isn't self centered?

Wise up.

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 28, 2006

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as for mothers and children being entitiled to special care, does our government abide by this? what constitutes 'special care?' i am not familiar with un declarations. i'd like to know, because i just had a baby, i'd like to know where, and how, i can get the special care that i am entitled to, b/c i don't feel that i gotten any.

i can tell you one thing, the hospital sure did come after their money and that l&d bill wiped out my savings - even after insurance (which i pay out the #@#@ for.) i don't think i can afford to have another one. i just want to know how these hispanic (non english speaking) women do it - i've seen several in the past couple days with 2-4 children under the age of 5 in tow.

the us is a signatory to the un declaration of human rights which in effect makes the charter a consideration of making and implementing our own laws. unfortunately, our own government does not do a very good job of following this declaration for people living in the us. sadly, since we do not have a consistent national health plan people who "make too much money" can be harassed endlessly while the truly poor or those who fall under (i think) the 200% poverty line can be covered by either medicaid or state plans that cover the working poor. if you are not covered by these systems you can end up at the mercy of a high cost sharing medical plan with large copays and out of pocket expenses.

the reason i posted this declaration was to point out that from a human rights view it is horrendous to consider cutting children of illegal immigrants off from health care due to the mistakes of their parents. this may even rise to the level of a violation of international law.

i personally believe that everyone should be covered either by single payer or the very least a large pool universal access health insurance plan. (see tricare, va or the federal employees plan for examples.) i think that it is horrible that you have been put in this situation by our irrational lack of a consistent system.

arelius · Aug 28, 2006

But if you leave the door to your wedding wide open, AND make no real attempt to distinguish between your wedding guests and the crashers, isn't this a problem of your OWN making? Indeed, if you leave the door open BECAUSE you were hoping for uninvited guests to fill out the 'party' (for whatever reason, maybe you were just hoping the wallflowers would get invited to dance), isn't that DOUBLY your fault that indeed, they come in to do just that?
~faith,
Timothy.

Last I checked it was illegal to cross the border without permission. The door isn't open, the door is closed but many illegal immigrants decide to open the door one way or another. And just because the door is open doesn't mean you give another person the right to enter.

studentmalenurse · Aug 28, 2006

So low income Americans without health insurance are in high places? I bet you don't live anywhere even close to the border. Your generalizations are overly simplified. You can't even imagine the problems that the border states face everyday.
So the boycott wasn't self-centered? The demands for public assistance aren't self-centered? Special treatment isn't self centered?
Wise up.

Low income individuals without health insurance , That problem is caused by the government my friend, they rather spend our tax dollars on new ways to kill people and create new weapons then to find means to take care of their own. Thats why our health care system, and educational system sucks. Your right i dont live near the border but i do live in a city that has a very large amount of illegal aliens.And what affects me is definately not them. I myself dont have health insurance. Thats definately not their fault.

Yeah those things are self centered, but those arent things that will stop u from putting food in your mouth or a shelter over your head. I think u know very well what i meant by being self centered. :)

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 28, 2006

Yeah those things are self centered, but those arent things that will stop u from putting food in your mouth or a shelter over your head. I think u know very well what i meant by being self centered. :)

Yeah, you meant that by being empathetic, that all the problems would go away...

If you're implying that I'm being self-centered by my comments, then so be it. If that's the best argument that you can come up with over this imigration debate, then it's run its course. It's been noted, empathy isn't enough, and there you go.

Now, on to some REAL problems, and some REAL answers.

ZASHAGALKA, RN · Aug 28, 2006

Last I checked it was illegal to cross the border without permission. The door isn't open, the door is closed but many illegal immigrants decide to open the door one way or another. And just because the door is open doesn't mean you give another person the right to enter.

But when you turn a blind eye to them coming in, it is an implied consent.

Tonight . . . 6-8 thousand people will illegally cross our southern border. What will we do about it? Why, give them a job of course.

It is illegal, but until we CHOOSE to enforce our own laws, the dinner we've set for them and invited them to accept is a clear invitation to the party.

The history of 8 million others that preceded the immigrant that crosses TONIGHT does imply consent.

Or, to put it in context, how fast would YOU drive if you knew the highways weren't seriously monitored by police? But, THAT'S ILLEGAL!

~faith,

Timothy.

charebec65 · Aug 28, 2006

There is nothing inherent about our laws that stipulate that a child born on our soil is a citizen. Since their illegal parents are not subject to our legal status, neither should the 'fruit of a forbidden tree' be.
From the 14th Amendment:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
That's a two-part test. Being born on our soil as a result of the VIOLATION of our jurisdiction does not or SHOULD NOT meet that burden.
This two-part test dealt with slavery issues post Civil War and had a specific connotation that does not apply to the children of illegal aliens. The purpose of this two-part test was that: the mere act of legally sanctioning and/or punishing a former slave served, under Constitutional precept, to establish his citizenship and all the rights thereof.
This provision was designed to enforce gov't recognized citizenship status on all who were born here AND who live under our rule of law. It just isn't on point for someone that is born here by the process of UNDERMINING our rule of law.
Simply put, it's not simply about the nationality of the land in question, but about the jurisdictional right to be there.
Congress needs to weigh in on this issue and disabuse HHS of this misinterpretation by regulation. I've said this for years. For the FIRST TIME, in the immigration debate this summer, I've actually heard this concept discussed as a need for Congressional action.
~faith,
Timothy.

I like your thinking here Timothy..... Do you have legal training in some respect? Just curious..... I used to be a paralegal...