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I was recently made unit manager of a 44-bed ward.

Nights, on which I have worked, have been a true disaster. This morning two brand new just-off-orientations aides left the units a disaster. People soaked throught their pads to the bed, one very frail woman in feces and urine and THREE new areas threatening to open, you get the picture. People soaked through 24 hours briefs, double-padded which is against policy and common decency, people with SIGNS saying not to use plastic with double plastic soaker pads.... the charge last night asked another unit to swap an experienced aide with one of ours and they flat-out refused. They were written up.

One aide will sail off the unit without writing witness statements to falls and I end up cat-herding to get what I need for incident investigation and reporting. The usual aides NEVER do a full three rounds and the state of the residents in the morning makes that obvious.

Today I have my weekly care planning meeting with the other disciplines. My usual charge is off and the other regularly scheduled nurse calls off. She really has been sick. The float shows up. I'm putting out fires all over, being called into multiple rooms to assess and be informed of the previous night's neglect, and at 7:20 for the 8 am med pass I say to float that I'll take med cart 2. That's the easier one but the unit mgr usually takes it because she has other duties. She tells me she's planning on taking that one. Okay.

I keep getting interrupted for valid reasons. at 9 a.m. float sails by and tells me she's gooing on break. When she returned I asked if she could finish my pass as was already late and had my meeting at 11 for which I needed to prepare. She respons that she has treatments. I tell her I will help her after the meeting. She disappears and ignores me.

I get started on my own work and the DON shows up to mention that my cast is out and unlocked with meds on it. I apologize, and say, "I'm waiting for M to finish the pass." M shows up and I hand her the keys. She says, "Why are you giving me your keys?" "To finish the meds." "They're late. They can't be given now." Now, they still need their meds. DON backs me up. She takes the cart and I thank her. She yells across the unit, "Well, I don't have a choice when the director of nursing tells me to." I said, "*I* asked you to." Challenges me. "Yeah? Where've you been the last 45 minutes?" "Where've YOU been?" "Doing my job!"

I. was. livid. When to the Don and she told me that M was mad at her because she said she couldn't leave early since we were short nurses.

I need help on: What do I do about nights? The DON is aware, and the experienced aides are in trouble and we will "educate" the newbies (who have obviously been taught by SOMEONE how to take shortcuts.).

And direct insubordination. I do NOT throw my weight around, I toilet people, assist with direct, poopy patient care, and do what needs to be done. Is she testing me? Is she just lazy?

Help!

And thanks.

And I actually love the new job. But I am developing a thick skin very quickly.

Specializes in Geriatrics.

SuesquatchRN,

Mariamsally made a good point: "We have taken to checking the patients when those certain CNA's are giving us report, and making them come in with us. They don't like it, but tough...."

Is there any way to make the CNA's accountable to the oncoming CNA's (and thus to one another)? By this I mean having the night (or day) CNA do rounds with the oncoming CNA and going through sort of a checklist. If it appears that a patient (or resident) was sitting/lying in their bodily waste the entire shift, then that item would not be checked off. Also, with this checksheet, you could have both parties sign off on the form and place it in a notebook where you (or a designee) can view it later. You could also include this as part of the CNA's performance review for raises or disciplinary action.

This may be a bit of a hassle (or even overkill) but it could be an additional tool to use to help correct the problem you are experiencing with the CNA's.

You sound like a great and caring nurse manager and I think that your facility is lucky to have you!

husker, the night nurse on my unit is the one who gave the CNAs the note I wrote her. Thanks. Not.

Siennah, they are supposed to do rounds together but the night aides beat feet off the unit fast.

I am on this weekend as RN Supe and got permission from the DON to take off tomorrow instead of Friday. I'm really tired. I might round with the aides one day this weekend. We'll see.

This is going to work out.

:)

miriamsally,

I would be honored and privileged to work with you. If only more people had your attitude.....

Specializes in med surg/cardiac.
SuesquatchRN,

Mariamsally made a good point: "We have taken to checking the patients when those certain CNA's are giving us report, and making them come in with us. They don't like it, but tough...."

Is there any way to make the CNA's accountable to the oncoming CNA's (and thus to one another)? By this I mean having the night (or day) CNA do rounds with the oncoming CNA and going through sort of a checklist. If it appears that a patient (or resident) was sitting/lying in their bodily waste the entire shift, then that item would not be checked off. Also, with this checksheet, you could have both parties sign off on the form and place it in a notebook where you (or a designee) can view it later. You could also include this as part of the CNA's performance review for raises or disciplinary action.

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I work on a 54 bed unit and this is what we did. It seemed to cut down on complaints to the charge nurses because the CNA's would just tell the previous shift to "help me change this person", or to "empty the garbage before you go", etc. It worked out after a few weeks because the other shift would start working through the shift, not wanting to stay over to clean up with the next shift. We used the forms at first, but then once everyone got the hang of it the forms were gone. It was also important that the charge nurse was out on the floor during the walking rounds. Then the aides would know they couldnt just sit and give report since they were being watched. Good Luck! Sounds like you got lots of good advice.

As to the night shift fiasco, show up unannounced at 0200, and see what the staff are doing.

Maybe it's just overwhelmed newbies, or maybe they're busy with personal texting, etc.

It's a PITA, sure, but if the staff knows they're subject to getting visits from the PTB at any time, they act more responsibly. It's just human nature.

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

To be perfectly honest Sue I think its time your facility starts cleaning house. I think you should talk to the DON about it so that a few of the lazy aides who are not doing their job need to be made an example of so the rest of them know that laziness won't be tolerated. I would also look into getting rid of this float nurse who seems to have a huge attitude problem. There are too many people out there looking for jobs who want to work hard to earn their paycheck for you to have to mess around being a babysitter and ringleader with some of these clowns. As a CNA (I am in the hospital setting not the LTC setting) I have found that I really enjoy the education seminars that my employer offers (called the "CNA Education Series"), which can include anything from "Avoiding Skin Breakdown", "Nutritional Needs of Elderly Patients" to "Assessment Skills for CNAs". These classes or seminars are a nice way for CNAs to share and expand their knowledge about the different areas of patient care and to try to make sure that everyone is up to snuff on what is expected of them. Its something you should dicsuss with your DON so that all of the units and all of the shifts can have access to this. They can be really helpful because it helps to make sure everyone is on the same page and it sets the bar higher so that everyone has something to aspire. I thought that the "Assessment Skills for CNAs" was a really interesting seminar because while most nurses would say that CNAs do not or have no need for assessment skills this seminar proves differently, what the class really focused on was identifying important things like skin breakdown, behavior changes and other direct observations that should be reported to the nurse and the proper way to report your findings. This is especially crucial in the LTC setting because you are seeing the same patients every single day and the CNAs are the workers spending the most time with the patients. Just because a CNA can't chart their observations/assessments or because they may not know exactly what is wrong with a patient when their their limbs become suddenly edematous does not mean that they can't report their findings to the nurse. Its something to consider...

!Chris :specs:

First of , you're beautiful! And if that is you in your avatar, you don't look nowhere near your age...in ANY way:).

That being said, I think a change in command, especially when you climb up the ladder always garners some form of animosity and disrespect. Your people will have to conform- a new captain has taken hold of the ship now.

Respect, respect is key. This is not a popularity contest- you don't have to be liked. That can come later. However way, you handle the insubordinates will determine if and how the rest will fall in line. You CAN do this.

Thanks, Katie. That's Nurse Jackie - Edie Falco. :)

I'm off today and feeling a lot better. Ystdy, when I found out that B gave the note to the aides, I thought my head would explode.

I can't imagine that they think they'll win. Amazing.

Thanks again to everyone for your insight.

Specializes in long term care Alzheimers Patients.
Thanks, DogWmn.

I am going to approach the DON tomorrow about working Thursday from 3 am to noon in stead of the usual 7-3. Surprise!

Good idea Sue

They are lucky to have someone so invested and cares so much working for them. It's also refreshing to read that a DON has the back of their management. That will go a long way to help you shape things up there.

The nurse who shared your note with the aides should be flat out fired. That is unprofessional, immature, and unacceptable. As far as the aides go I do like the idea of them having to give report and the oncoming nurse checking things out so they are now accountable. Having to change a bed or two before they leave could spread the message really quick as to what is acceptable and what isn't. The problem would be the O/T necessary but if you could get it approved for one week it would give you time to rectify the problem and then clean house as needed.

Chances are this won't end without some people needing to lose their jobs. The ones that want to keep them will comply and change. Keep them and ditch the others. Sometimes a few heads rolling shows the others you are done and mean business. Patients are suffering and that needs to stop. If they don't care they need to go.

Good luck and pls keep us posted.

Great thread - just great. I worked in a facility during clinicals that had aides like the ones exasperating you. Unfortunately, their DON and ward nurses were just as useless. We ended up getting sent home because the state came in to investigate.

Put the fear of god in all of them - not in the dictatorship way, but in the very clear "there are a lot of people looking for jobs right now, and if you can't actually perform to the level expected, then this is not the place for you." I agree with a previous poster it's high time to develop a pool of applicants and get rid of those that make it obvious that they'd rather shortcut than care for a patient.

There is never an excuse for leaving a patient soiled and wet, especially in a facility like yours where you're good on pitching in and helping out. I bet you the night shift surprises will come in handy when they get written up.

I wish you the best there, you are working to make it a great place!

Thanks, all.

Well, I took Thursday off instead of ystdy (I'm RN supe this weekend) and my oh my! The DON did something. For the past couple of days the night aides have been there past shift change FINISHING THEIR ROUNDS. And the LPNs who gave me snark are slinking around not looking at me.

Of course, the one who gave me attitude Tuesday was supposed to work this weekend and called in so I had to take a cart again but somehow, without the nastiness, things went well. Of course, I have care plans and MDSs up the wazoo, nor have I been able to do wound assessment or body audits....

*sigh*

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