Check Your Wall Clocks - Hidden Cameras

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From the "L.A. Times"

November 18, 2004

Nurses Find Hidden Cameras at Hospital

Good Samaritan workers fear intrusive monitoring. Officials cite security concerns.

By Jia-Rui Chong, Times Staff Writer

It was the wires dangling from a wall clock that first caught the eye of the nurse, who was taking a breather after a stint in the labor and delivery unit of Good Samaritan Hospital.

A closer inspection revealed a tiny, pea-sized camera lens above the numeral "9."

Within minutes, nurses at the hospital just west of downtown Los Angeles hit the phones, alerting colleagues about the device in the break room and asking them to check other clocks for hidden cameras. In all, they found 16 tiny devices hidden within timepieces placed on the walls of lounges, a fitness center, a conference room and a pharmacy, among other locations.

"We feel they have violated our rights and our privacy," said Sussette Nacorda, 50, a nurse in the coronary care unit, who found a camera in a lounge.

Hospital officials said they installed the cameras over the summer as part of a security effort. They said they had intended to put up signs to notify people about the cameras but had not had an opportunity before the devices were discovered. The cameras had not yet been turned on, they said.

"Our goal is not at all to spy on" nurses, said Sammy Feuerlicht, the hospital's vice president of business. "Our goal is to make employees feel more comfortable, not less comfortable."

Feuerlicht contends that the hospital installed the cameras after employees expressed concern that some break rooms and other facilities were vulnerable to burglaries.

"There had been some thefts occurring in break rooms in the past," he said, adding that the plan was for security officers to review the footage if someone reported a theft.

Nurses said they were particularly incensed because they believed some of the cameras had partial views of locker rooms and a visitors' area commonly used by mothers to breastfeed. Break rooms are often used by nurses to change clothes, they said.

Hospital officials countered that the rooms should not be used for changing clothes and that they did not consider them private areas.

Jim Lott, a spokesman for the Hospital Assn. of Southern California, said it was standard practice for hospitals to install cameras and that these were the first complaints about privacy he had heard.

Hospitals have grown more concerned about security since a man killed two employees and a patient on a shooting spree at West Anaheim Medical Center about five years ago, Lott said.

"I don't know that it's wrong, bad or problematic [to have cameras] in a break room so long as people are aware that they are there," Lott said.

Cameras have also sparked controversy at Bakersfield Memorial Hospital, where nurses discovered cameras last month.

"We don't know where all the surveillance equipment is yet," said Chris Swanson, a labor representative at the Bakersfield hospital. "We have discovered surveillance cameras near some nurses' stations."

She said she believes hospital management has made inappropriate use of the cameras by monitoring the nurses' work habits.

A spokesman for the hospital said that about five cameras have operated for three years in hallways and common areas around nursing stations at Memorial Center, a satellite campus that treats patients with psychiatric disorders and chemical dependency.

"They are security cameras," said hospital spokesman Ken Keller. "They are not cameras to monitor workers or anything along those lines."

Keller said the hospital has put up signs warning visitors and employees that cameras may be operating. He said the hospital has not installed any cameras in break areas.

"That's a line we don't want to cross," he said.

Specializes in pure and simple psych.

If the intention is to deter, or prevent thefts, etc, a great big honking camera with a red blinking eye works better. And yes, stores aim the cameras behind the counter, which does not help during a robery. All you can see is the hands of the thief, and a shadow. Not much help in identification.

I have a problem with cameras being installed prior to informing the staff. Especially cameras that are meant to be concealed!

Wouldn't it be more effective as a deterent to have those cameras in plain view and let people know they are being watched? That crazy patient mentioned earlier in the thread that chased a nurse down a hall? Maybe she might not have if she saw a camera watching her.

I never had anything to hide as far doing anything illegal at work. BUT, that doesn't make it okay to film me.

Specializes in Med Surg, Hospice, Home Health.

we have security cameras at my facility, but they are blatant...like those little smoke colored domes they have at the local wally world...

linda

When I worked as a CNA I said there seemed to be cameras of some type watching us..so they would know to or least aware/beware...these seemed to be everywhere in the building.

The co-workers said no. That is what they think or thought at the time.

I think the cameras or whatever they are called (monitors?) are a good thing...but what about our privacy ( feeling violated this way is/was about all the time :( and I need and want the work).

A pre-nursing student.

Angels’

"Footsteps In The Sand"

That's why whenever I pass a clock I flash it for good measure! :p :p

Today while you went about your everyday routine,

Did you go to the bank or to an ATM?

Did you buy gas?

Did you drive pass a police officer who was using a radar detector?

Did you talk on a cordless phone?

Did you go to a convenience store?

Did you go to a department store?

Did you use a dressing room in a clothing store?

Did you ride a city bus?

Did you ride a subway?

Did you go into an office building?

Did you work on a computer network?

Did you use a credit card or a shopper's discount card?

Did you give out your Social Security number?

Did you apply for a job?

Did you drive through a toll booth?

Did you call a customer service or technical support help line?

Were you tested for drugs?

if you answered yes to ANY of the above, you were under surveillance.

Big Brother is here to stay.

While I do actually agree with you, I’ll add this –

I have served in the Air Force (so my life is probably an open public record); worked in a bank (in front of cameras); lived in Saudi Arabia for two years as a civilian (uh, no constitutional rights there); accepted bank transfers from Saudi American Bank in Riyadh and HSBC in Doha, Qatar to my account here in the US (and one was for the house down payment, so it was significant); talked on cell phones to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Iraq…I KNOW I’m being watched by someone, and know that the Secret Service agent/IRS agent/FBI agent assigned to monitor me must be bored out of his/her mind watching how much money I spend on food and at Target. I could care LESS what the Feds are digging up about me, because if they REALLY need to know that I’m having my kitchen redone or my house interior painted, I would be happy to tell them myself! (Both will be paid partially by transfers – my husband works in the Middle East still – and I’m sure they also know who he is and where he is because he works for the US military!)

I have seven Saudi Arabian visas in my passport. I have immigration stamps in there from no less than five Middle Eastern countries and six in Europe. I’m sure every time I go to the UK to visit my husband’s family – he’s a Brit – some little alert goes off on some computer screen somewhere, both here and in the EU. I’ve been pulled aside by US CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION coming INTO the United States, where I was born and raised, for crying out loud, and have been all but interrogated by my own country – and I’m BLONDE AND BLUE EYED and very very white! All because I lived in Saudi Arabia. It's a fact of my life. Big deal, to me.

We know that all those places you mentioned subject us to monitoring, and those of us who use the services/items you've described deem it an acceptable level. I very much agree with your statement, and since I know every federal agency - now including the NSA! - is probably monitoring me on every computer screen they have, I only hope the poor guy stuck with me brings a book to work to read, because I can assure you I'm boring!

But having HIDDEN CAMERAS that I don’t know about in my JOB crosses a line with me. That’s disgusting! If it was purely for security measures, WHY WEREN’T THE STAFF TOLD beforehand????

Jim Lott, a spokesman for the Hospital Assn. of Southern California, said it was standard practice for hospitals to install cameras and that these were the first complaints about privacy he had heard.

Likely, because this was the first time the hospital got caught using the cameras.

If I worked there, I would have very serious questions about why they needed to be hidden. Cameras out in the open are used as a deterrent. Hidden cameras are used for spying. That's it, that's all.

Also, I find it incredible that a company would pay good money for expensive monitoring equipment and not actually use it for around half a year. That does not seem to be the SOP in today's corporate America.

Finally, I would be asking administration how many hidden cameras are stashed in their work areas. I am sure that with their, (wink, wink), "open door policies" they all say they have, they are as prone to theft as us common folk.

Specializes in Medical, Surgical, Cardiac.
We have cameras that supposidly are not actually turned on (yeah, right).

I like to flip off, who ever is watching, when I walk by.

I have been known to flip off the occasional surveilance cameras all over..:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

On a more serious note; when will people in upper management get it. If you trust me enough to hire me, then trust me enough to do my job. If I give you a reason to question my abilities or my ethics, please confront me and allow me to a) explain myself or b) rectify the situation.

If you are surveiling me, all you are doing is attempting to collect evidence to fire me. Is that what we want to do, fire every employee that may make a mistake, demonstrates bad judgement, or just plain makes a mistake?

Perhaps part of the reason for all the staffing problems is not just bad work conditions, it is poor communication. Tell me don't tape me!!!! Believe it or not some people actually want to know what they need to do to improve. Those that don't should be given the opportunity to change and if they don't show them the door.

Kevin

I agree.

Put me on hidden cameras without telling me, and you'll be minus one nurse.

That's why whenever I pass a clock I flash it for good measure! :p :p

we need more nurses like you;), i will show mine if you show me yours:D

wow i just got hired at good samaritan in L.A. good to know about the cameras. guess i cann't get a little somthn' somthn' in the break room. dam, there goes that fantasy. or maybe that might make it a little more exciting hehe. i wonder if there is a mic so they can hear all as well as see all. now that could be interesting.

ok seriously, dont think they should or need to hide them. no reason for that. are they trying to prevent things or just catch you doing something. i would think a better way of preventing things would be to have cameras everywhere out in the open. so this is just a way to catch you not prevent things. most people are not out to commit a "crime" but are opertunist. hidden cameras dont take away the opertunity but allow it to remain. to think they want us to act like professionals but treat us like a store clerk. o well its there hospital, just dont put them in the bathroom. lets keep my fantasy alive.

Specializes in Critical Care, Pediatrics, Geriatrics.

They can hide cameras in every patient's room for all I care, because I will do my job appropriately regardless......but don't make up some bull**** story about while they are there and insult my intelligence. If you want to provide me with security then hire more security guards for the parking garage, install some medal detectors for the main entrance, etc. Did the patients know they were being secretly videotaped as well......I'm sure they wouldn't be too happy if they found out. And if you are hiding cameras in wall clocks and I am not privvy to the info, oh and then you try and cover it up like it was meant in innocence for my protection, then how am I supposed to know that you don't have hidden cameras in the bathroom and women's locker room? This is ridiculous.

Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.

HVAC vents are commonly are used to conceal cameras. They can be as small as an ink pen, parallel with the duct.

I would guess that this is more common than not, and that the hospitals will fight tooth and nail to keep the existance of cameras secret, because they don't want to let the tapes out if it would cause them liability, and will reveal them only if it would reduce liability.

Makes for some creative stories regarding their use, if they are being used supposedly or sitting idle, like the hospital in this story. I don't believe for a minute that the hospital here didn't activate the cameras. It just wasn't beneficial in this case to admit use.

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