CDC states only 10,000 patients died DIRECTLY from Covid

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http://www.drugawareness.org/breaking-news-from-CDC-on-real-covid-death-figures/

Only 10,000 patient have died directly from contracting COVID19. The rest had  underlying medical conditions.

Have we been wrong in they way we shut down America?  Was this all political BS?

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/new-CDC-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

More discussion from a conservative point of view. You don't have to agree with it but it is a data interpretation.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/36884-CDC-fewer-than-10-000-americans-have-died-from-covid-19-alone

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4 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

More discussion from a conservative point of view. You don't have to agree with it but it is a data interpretation.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/36884-CDC-fewer-than-10-000-americans-have-died-from-covid-19-alone

I haven’t read your link because I have a good grasp of Covid-19 stats already and I don’t think your source has much of value to add.

English is my fourth language but even I can easily see what they’re trying to do by phrasing it: ”died from Covid-19 alone”. It’s meant to imply that there were several causes of death (non-Covid) in the majority of cases and that very few people have actually died from their Covid infection. That’s ummmm.....crapola. 

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE 2020 EXCESS MORTALITY?
 

2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019: Lots of people are old. Lots of people have cardiovascular disease. Lots of people have diabetes. Lots of people are obese. 

2020: Lots of people are old. Lots of people have cardiovascular disease. Lots of people have diabetes. Lots of people are obese. Novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 makes an entrance. Lots of EXTRA people die. 

Do you have any other new variable, other than covid-19, that could be a logical explanation?

 

 

If you say 5G I will surely ??

 

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17 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

More discussion from a conservative point of view...

 "conservative" pov = misinformation?

Is that the point you are trying to make here? I'm not even going to quote the link it's so inappropriate. I surely have never offered up the opinion of quacks to my patients when reviewing their healthcare choices. It makes about the same sense to me as recommending informing ones self from that sort "data interpretation" during a pandemic.  

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If you won't read an alternative viewpoint then why should I debate.  You follow the narrative you want to write.  Arguing with those who are unwilling to even consider an alternative viewpoint is an act of futility.  

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1 minute ago, FNP2B1 said:

Arguing with those who are unwilling to even consider an alternative viewpoint is an act of futility

Believe me..we know!

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6 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

If you won't read an alternative viewpoint then why should I debate.  You follow the narrative you want to write.  Arguing with those who are unwilling to even consider an alternative viewpoint is an act of futility.  

Alternative viewpoints on hard scientific data are of no interest to me. I deal in facts. And only real facts. Alternative facts isn’t a thing despite some people trying to convince you otherwise. Your source doesn’t exactly look peer-reviewed. Where do you usually look for medical and epidemiological data? 

How do you explain the excess mortality? 

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200701125506.htm

I'm not trained to be an epidemiologist and I'm assuming you are not either. This article provides an explanation.  Wish I had more time to debate but  had to fire a provider this morning and will have to attend to her patient case load.  Enjoy the debate.

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1 hour ago, FNP2B1 said:

More discussion from a conservative point of view. You don't have to agree with it but it is a data interpretation.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/36884-CDC-fewer-than-10-000-americans-have-died-from-covid-19-alone 

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Fact Checking "The New American Magazine": "Overall, we rate the New American Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to rejecting the consensus of science and poor sourcing techniques"  

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-american/ 

I'm not certain whether it is a TOS violation to post a source that misinterprets scientific and medical facts to conclude the opposite of  even President Trump's recommendations and desire for a vaccine, but ALLNURSES.COM has many readers who are not health professionals. If one or more believes this it could harm them. If they are aware of the medical and scientific facts so far discovered they would not trust this site unless the characterizations are refuted. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf From the article posted:   

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 ...   Despite the deaths, the CDC’s statistics should be considered good news. According to the CDC, COVID-19 has thus far played a role in the deaths of just 0.05 percent of the U.S. population and was the sole factor in the deaths of a mere 0.003 percent. This is not the picture one gets from the mainstream media, which thrives on coronavirus panic. In fact, their hysterical reporting of “cases” and other meaningless statistics has led Americans to believe that COVID-19 has wiped out nine percent of the U.S. population. That’s 180 times the number of people the CDC claims have died with COVID-19 and 3,000 times the number the agency says have died from COVID-19.

It’s also not the impression one gets from most government officials, who are currently enjoying power trips courtesy of the fear they have instilled in their citizens. If those citizens were to become aware of the CDC’s latest statistics and other relevant facts, they might well come to the same conclusions as Rozeff: “It means that existing draconian measures should all be shelved immediately! They are not just neutral in their effects. They are known to be harmful in many ways, including causing deaths that otherwise would not have occurred. It means that the crash-push for vaccines should be abandoned. There is no dire need to rush an untested vaccine into production and inoculate large numbers of people.” 

There is, however, a dire need to put an end to the COVID-19 police state once and for all.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/36884-CDC-fewer-than-10-000-americans-have-died-from-covid-19-alone 

 

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1 hour ago, FNP2B1 said:

I'm not trained to be an epidemiologist and I'm assuming you are not either. This article provides an explanation.

I did take graduate level study in epidemiology at the Medical School of Wisconsin but you do not need to have a background in epidemiology for interpretation of this discussion of possible reasons for non-covid deaths. 

This is the actual study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980?resultClick=1

The article posted above, in Science News was a response to a study that appeared in the same issue.

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Others may have died from a chronic health condition, such as diabetes or cancer, that was exacerbated by the effects of the pandemic, said Woolf, VCU's C. Kenneth and Dianne Wright Distinguished Chair in Population Health and Health Equity.

Woolf said he and his team suspect that some of these were indirect deaths from the pandemic that occurred among people with acute emergencies, such as a heart attack or stroke, who may have been afraid to go to a hospital for fear of getting the virus. Those who did seek emergency care, particularly in the areas hardest hit by the virus, may not have been able to get the treatment they needed, such as ventilator support, if the hospital was overwhelmed by the surge.

 Some of it may reflect under-reporting; it takes awhile for some of these data to come in. Some cases might involve patients with COVID-19 who died from related complications, such as heart disease, and those complications may have been listed as the cause of death rather than COVID-19.

 

Interesting research letter and I believe the Covid 19 pandemic will be studied for decades to come. However the possible proposed variables still stem from the presence of Covid in the US population.

Any nursing students, or any student in a health care profession should be able to understand this article in Science News (which I have never heard of) and the related research letter published in JAMA. I could lead to some very interesting discussions about how the pandemic has effected everyone.

 

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My interpretation based on the published studies is that increase in mortality can be linked to patients postponing essential medical care which lead to their deaths. The virus didn't DIRECTLY cause the increase in overall deaths as supported by CDC data.  

CDC is not known to be political.  You can interpret differently if you choose

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1 minute ago, FNP2B1 said:

 

CDC is not known to be political.  You can interpret differently if you choose

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 According to four former heads of the agency, the Trump administration has been interfering in the CDC's central role during this pandemic.

Historically, the CDC is not very political. But, in many ways, its role has been very different during this pandemic. (PBS news hour)

 

If the virus had not been rampaging through out the US, disrupting all the lives of the US people, people would not have died from the effects of COVID on societal functioning.

 

8 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

My interpretation based on the published studies is that increase in mortality can be linked to patients postponing essential medical care which lead to their deaths.

Once again, provide a well designed study, from a reputable source that shows this, independent of Covid being present in the US. 

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I'm using the source you listed from JAMA to reach my conclusion. The dilemma is no long term studies have been conducted. You can't prove your conclusion and I can't prove mine.  Time will tell.  The CDC data is what it is.

I think the AHA is a nonpartisan group.  They discuss the data analysis from Dr. Wolff

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/07/10/more-people-are-dying-during-the-pandemic-and-not-just-from-covid-19

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