The Trump administration is prohibiting officials at the nation's top public health agency from using a list of seven words or phrases - including "fetus" and "transgender" - in any official documents being prepared for next year's budget.
Policy analysts at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta were told of the list of forbidden words at a meeting Thursday with senior CDC officials who oversee the budget, according to an analyst who took part in the 90-minute briefing. The forbidden words are "vulnerable," "entitlement," "diversity," "transgender," "fetus," "evidence-based" and "science-based."
This is an attack on our very society itself. I could not believe it when I read it. I feel like a revolution may be inevitable if this trend continues. To ban the words "evidence-based" is beyond words for me to write.
ETA: The other words banned are: "vulnerable," "entitlement," "diversity," "transgender," "fetus," and "science-based." No less horrendous.
I was referring specifically to the simple-minded conservative ideologues in the current administration and GOP majority in the Congress. Not conservatives generally. (Although, if the shoe fits ...)
So, to you, all conservatives in the current administration and GOP are dumb?
What exactly has he attacked from the organizations?
The CDC has come out saying that President Trump did not ask for these words to be banned, censor, or otherwise avoided. That it was the CDC themselves who are self-censoring. What more do you need to eliminate President Trump from the beginning equation? Furthermore, no one knows if those words would be censored with a different President, that is an assumption. To add to that, if it weren't these words with President Trump, they would be different words had we had a different President. The difference is, there would be absolutely no media covering it, meaning no hysterical outcry that "TRUMP BANNED WORDS!", because it wouldn't be Donald Trump.
Edit: I do understand the last sentence is an assumption as well, but let's be honest, it probably wouldn't get the coverage it did had Donald Trump not be President.
Not whataboutism. I distinctly disproved the argument that President Trump banned CDC from using certain words, including a source. Yes, it is hypocrisy, but you are forgetting the second part of whataboutism. Maybe you should look up the definition.
From my stance, I am not so much upset over the banning of the words, such as "Islam", as I am about the blatantly obvious bias of and incorrect reporting going on and havoc following suit solely based on who may or may not have said what.
No one is condemning the Islamic community as a whole. That is not what "Islamist terrorists" or "Islamic extremism" means. The two phrases describe those who practice the religion of Islam to the extreme, enacting terrorism. Some believe it to be because the interpretation of the Quran, and the scripture enforces that to be the purest devotee to Islam you must participate various acts, where some of the terrorism comes into play. To them, they are just being a good Muslim, following the Quran, in their interpretation. To everyone else, it's terrorism. Not every Muslim believes these things that "Islamic extremists" profess to be from the Prophet, written in the Quran, and not every Muslim is a terrorist.
I've never read the Quran, so I'm not going to list the acts the Quran says, as again, the interpretations can differ.
No one says "Christian terrorists" because when a Christian commits terrorism, they are not doing so in the name of their God. I'm sure there are a few cases of Christian terrorists that do do it for their God, but how many can you even find a link between - as in this person is a terrorist because Christianity? When you have Muslim's yelling "Allah Akbar" when committing terrorism, the two ARE linked and this happening is weekly. ISIS has made numerous videos about how the crimes they commit are in the name of their God. That's what "Islamic terrorism/extremism" is. Don't believe it to mean every Muslim is a terrorist, because that's not what it is, nor what it ever was.
Again, I'd like to know what he is "doing to the science community"...
I think we are going through a fantastic presidency. If you think only this presidency, as opposed to past presidencies, thinks political opinion matters more than scientific facts, I don't think you've been paying attention.
Trump and his cronies are silencing scientists, taking down scientific studies, rolling back environmental protections. I understand you have thing for Trump, but denying what he is doing doesn't work. There is no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama wasn't trying to hide science. Obama chose to use more accurate words to describe terrorists. Trump/GOP wants words that are confusing and can be debated as opinions not the scientific facts that they are.
If Trump is doing such a great job. Why do the majority of Americans not like him or even voted for him? You really are brainwashed if you are willing to overlook all of Trumps scandals before and during his time in office, and now to currently defend him like he is some benign spectator.
Christian terrorists don't exist?. The KKK alone is enough to defeat that argument, but here is small summary for you on Christian Terrorists. Christian terrorism - Wikipedia
Here is an article that details what is happening to employees at the EPA who dare to criticize the present administration. You can Google the original NY Times article.
Yes, America Rising isn't a direct arm of DJT, but who do you think supports both America Rising and DJT? And would this be happening, if DJT didn't occupy the WH?
And yes, Christian terrorists most certainly do engage in terrorist acts that pertain to THEIR religion.
Besides the example of the KKK, remember the Atlanta Olympic bomber, Eric Rudolph? He proclaimed himself a Christian and also bombed an abortion clinic, and I believe gay bar before bombing the park.
So, to you, all conservatives in the current administration and GOP are dumb?
Yeah I was wondering that too. I don't feel just because someone holds ideals different than me that they are dumb. I find that very intolerant, the very accusation blasted at conservatives. There are very intelligent people on both sides of congress.
We can always replace "evidence-based" with "research based"
This is probably the outrageous statement made so far, and why research based probably won't be in the budget document either. That statement reeks of politics and science denialism. Research and evidence does not change just because someone doesn't like it.
"The CDC reportedly told its analysts that instead of using these phrases, they should say "CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes.""
Yeah I was wondering that too. I don't feel just because someone holds ideals different than me that they are dumb. I find that very intolerant, the very accusation blasted at conservatives. There are very intelligent people on both sides of congress.
I can't believe I said there were intelligent people in congress.
Trump and his cronies are silencing scientists, taking down scientific studies, rolling back environmental protections.
You keep saying this without anything to back up your statements. (I replied to your link below, still doesn't back anything up.)
I understand you have thing for Trump, but denying what he is doing doesn't work.
I don't have a "thing" for President Trump, he is my President, plain and simple. I voted for him based on his policies and ideas, because the majority I agree with. I also haven't denied anything he has supposably done. You keep imposing that President Trump is silencing scientists without any real sources. If you don't provide any evidence, why would I have any reason to agree with you? The one thing I have said is false is the supposed banning of words for the CDC, which IS false.
There is no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama wasn't trying to hide science. Obama chose to use more accurate words to describe terrorists.
You're right, there is no comparison. Each other have very different takes on different subject matters, as do the people. Why is that wrong?
Again, no evidence President Trump is "hiding science".
You can say he "chose to use more accurate words" but he distinctly banned certain words from ANYONE using them in U.S. Homeland Security documents. Also, one of the banned words is "Sharia". How is that in anyway not accurate of "Sharia Law" no matter who you are?
If you want to say "Christian terrorist/extremism", be my guest. It's not offensive if accurately displaying what a person is based on their actions and motivations.
Trump/GOP wants words that are confusing and can be debated as opinions not the scientific facts that they are.
Again, if you are referring to the CDC debate, we already concluded that President Trump and his administration, nor the GOP, had any part in what the CDC wanted to submit for their budget proposal.
If Trump is doing such a great job. Why do the majority of Americans not like him or even voted for him? You really are brainwashed if you are willing to overlook all of Trumps scandals before and during his time in office, and now to currently defend him like he is some benign spectator.
I don't know where you're getting that the majority of American's don't like President Trump. Yes, he lost the popular vote, but not everyone votes. If you are referring to the pollsters, you can probably remember how polls are always or anywhere near correct at times. As in, the polls leading up to election on chances of winning. They weren't correct in the slightest.
In my opinion, the polls were biased, like the many other things from mainstream media. There is no way to prove that unless I worked for those polls, so I will leave it at that.
I am not brainwashed at all. I have done my own research instead of mindlessly listening to talk shows to give me information. I also am not overlooking any "scandals" that may have happened, but honestly, they don't matter to me whether they happened or not, as I am very skeptical of many things that "have come out" anyways. I wanted a President with solid policies that weren't going to drain this country even more than before, and Donald Trump was the perfect candidate.
I also don't need to "defend" President Trump. He does a good job of that for himself. I am correcting false narratives and explaining my position.
Christian terrorists don't exist?. The KKK alone is enough to defeat that argument, but here is small summary for you on Christian Terrorists. Christian terrorism - Wikipedia
I didn't say Christian terrorist didn't exist. I said there are so few instances of people carrying out terrorist attacks based on Christianity, that it was a moot point. Yes, the KKK is well-known for their history on terrorism. However, the KKK targets Catholics specifically, along with Jews, who (Catholics) are Christians. It is Protestant based.
You actually have solidified my point. The Wikipedia page you linked to Christian terrorism; the first sentence is "Christian terrorism comprises terrorist acts by groups or individuals who profess Christian motivations or goals". Replace Christian with Islam and you just defined "Islamic terrorism". Why would someone try to banned the phrase "Islamic terrorism" if it accurately describes exactly what is occurring? There is no issue with people using Christian terrorism, why is there an issue with Islamic terrorism?
Did you even read what you posted. Okay, it's a list of everything the Trump administration has supposably done to "silence science".
1. No conclusion on why the speakers didn't present. They were either not at an EPA conference or the EPA and Fire Service said they did not attend because of travel-funds. No evidence that anyone silenced anyone from talking at these events. There were multiple, how would anyone have time to keep up with all of them and telling specific people they cannot talk at these small events?
2. This is the same situation at the CDC one. The person restricting language is an EPA employee, not part of the Trump Administration or GOP.
3. The administration wanted to stop covering birth control under ACA insurance. Apparently, the article, which gives no source, says the "administration claimed scientific evidence supported their decision". No further information. That doesn't mean the administration silenced any science.
4. The article states an analysis was dropped from the Department of Treasury's database in order to deceive the American people from realizing what a tax cut would really do to the economy. This seems more of a mathematical hypothesis, not really science based as there is no way to "research" something that has never happened in a certain economy. So it's solely based on possible numbers of what COULD happen.
5. This one itself chalks the cancelled trips up to the event being in Russia and the topic being nuclear energy. An obviously touchy subject for both countries during the time the conference was scheduled to take place.
There continues to be a never-ending "list" of everything our "horrible" President has done to keep scientists from speaking or attending. I am not going to read through every single one. I read the first 5 and all of them stated in the articles other reasons or no conclusion at all on why things happened. No solid proof or evidence of it being President Trumps doing. If you would like to read your own source and provide specific example, I would be more than happy to read.
Itsybitsy you have a definite cognitive bias going for Trump. You will downplay anything that doesn't agree with you on Trump from voting, to polls, to news reports etc. Trump may not have dictated that the CDC replace those words, but it was done for Trump and the GOP. There is no question on that. Trump and the GOP are waging a war against science and I can't help it if you fail to believe it or not. What Obama did has no part in this. That is just a distraction or a whataboutism as I prefer.
Wow. Simple-minded conservative ideologues? So because we can't be outraged that President Trump banned words, because he didn't, and had no part in making the decision for the CDC to censor itself in budget proposals, now we have a different narrative that conservatives are just dumb.
Were "liberals" equality simple-minded when President Obama banned the words "Islam", "Islamic extremism", and "Sharia" from U.S. Homeland Security documents in order to not offend people for the appeasement of "progressive-thinkers"? I don't remember any outrage for hampering speech when that occurred. And to further this point, this was the man who was suppose to be fighting ISIS - Islamic terrorists.
The CDC chose to limit their vocabulary as a means to receive funding. Healthcare policy is a separate entity from what budget the CDC receives, and just because the CDC decided that for themselves isn't indicative at all about what healthcare policies will come from the administration. However, as far as President Obama's banned words go, we were trying to fight Islamic extremists and the Commander-in-Chief didn't even believe in it.
By the way, I don't need to bring up President Obama's actions to legitimize the Trump Presidency. Donald Trump has already done that himself, in extraordinary fashion. I only bring up Barack Obama's actions to show the hypocrisy.
Obama never banned the terms "Islam", "Islamic extremism", or "Sharia". He did understand the basic definitions of the terms and used them correctly.
It's often incorrectly believed that "Islamic" and "Muslim" are interchangeable terms. "Muslim" refers to someone who self-identifies as being a follower of Islam. Using term "Islamic" means you are evaluating and agreeing that the person, belief, or act being referred to as "Islamic" is consistent with mainstream Muslim beliefs.
"Extremist" or "radical" by definition means someone or something that is not consistent with a mainstream view, so using the term "Islamic radical" or "Islamic extremism" is an oxymoron, and displays a lack of knowledge of the basic terms pertaining to the religion, which is why Obama didn't generally use those terms.
Wow. Simple-minded conservative ideologues? So because we can't be outraged that President Trump banned words, because he didn't, and had no part in making the decision for the CDC to censor itself in budget proposals, now we have a different narrative that conservatives are just dumb.
Were "liberals" equality simple-minded when President Obama banned the words "Islam", "Islamic extremism", and "Sharia" from U.S. Homeland Security documents in order to not offend people for the appeasement of "progressive-thinkers"? I don't remember any outrage for hampering speech when that occurred. And to further this point, this was the man who was suppose to be fighting ISIS - Islamic terrorists.
The CDC chose to limit their vocabulary as a means to receive funding. Healthcare policy is a separate entity from what budget the CDC receives, and just because the CDC decided that for themselves isn't indicative at all about what healthcare policies will come from the administration. However, as far as President Obama's banned words go, we were trying to fight Islamic extremists and the Commander-in-Chief didn't even believe in it.
By the way, I don't need to bring up President Obama's actions to legitimize the Trump Presidency. Donald Trump has already done that himself, in extraordinary fashion. I only bring up Barack Obama's actions to show the hypocrisy.
That's a fair point and you are correct, the CDC (which is part of the Trump administration) suggested avoiding these terms in order to appease the congresspeople they've aligned themselves with. The more concerning thing however is that not only do such people hold positions of power in our government, but that the actions of the executive branch relies on such people's support.
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So, to you, all conservatives in the current administration and GOP are dumb?