Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her

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Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her

Source: LA Times

If you offer health insurance as a for-profit business, it goes without saying that you'll do everything you can to avoid making payouts. That means you'll shun anyone with even a whiff of medical trouble.

But this is no way to run an insurance system, let alone to protect people from financial ruin due to catastrophic events such as being sent to the hospital by a drunk driver.

The Obama administration has already rejected the idea of a single-payer system similar to Canada's -- a mistake, in my opinion. Instead, it wants a smaller public program that would compete with private insurers and keep costs down.

Private insurers, not surprisingly, are lobbying aggressively to kill off that idea. They'd rather have a national mandate that would require all Americans to buy their product.

In return, they say, they'd stop sending rejection letters to people like Yount with preexisting conditions. But policyholders would still be subject to the companies' various terms and conditions.

Hey, I once had someone call from South Carolina to an office I was working in. She'd live down there for 45 years, was retiring and wanted admitted to our programme STAT, she'd have this doctor, attend x times a week and she'd be dropping by next week for a visit.

Had to tell her it just doesn't work that way.

What you are referring to is a group of seniors known as "snowbirds". They travel to warmer climate mid October and return about now. Most are fairly well off and have second homes in Florida, Arizona, New Mexico. It's amazing how sick they are when the surface every spring.

Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
Are you guys stopping to think about the choices you'll be giving up? And to those who think doctors charge too much, think of all the people who go to the hospital every year, who must be seen, but don't pay a dime! Majority of the people I take care of in the ER personally. Most the time it isn't even an "emergency", they know they will be seen, but won't have to pay! Government again at its finest...

You know if giving up some choices would allow all US citizens to be covered, then yes...I could live with that. Also for the record, if only "emergencies" came to the ER then you would be out of a job and guess what else...health insurance. Then you could go wait with the rest the "patients" who don't have health insurance.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Pedi.
I live in Alberta, a couple of 100kms, south of them and have NEVER had to pay. Do they have health cards?

Im not sure. I don't even know what a health card is...

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

All Canadian citizens have a health card that they present at the doctors office, clinic or health care facility to obtain free care. They are similar to a credit or bank card with a magnetic strip that contains your personal information.

No one would be charged to go a clinic.

Why do all Canadians with money come to the states to get high risk surgery? Because it's not as great as it sounds folks! Universal Care has its advantages, but let's not forget the disadvantages, namely paying a butt-load of taxes. I was born in Canada, my father went to medical school there, and the day he graduated, he moved to the US to complete his residency here and never went back. He REFUSES to work there! Do you like going to the DMV? Well, that is what going to the doctor will be like if Uncle Sam is running the show. I'd personally would have a choice of which specialist I go and see, another thing I would give up with Universal Health care. Are you guys stopping to think about the choices you'll be giving up? And to those who think doctors charge too much, think of all the people who go to the hospital every year, who must be seen, but don't pay a dime! Majority of the people I take care of in the ER personally. Most the time it isn't even an "emergency", they know they will be seen, but won't have to pay! Government again at its finest...

The DMV! Oh the horror! I don't know what state you're in, but the DMV ain't that bad in the eight or nine states I've lived in. The car insurance industry is much, much worse than the DMV. Think about it.

All Canadians with money come here for high risk surgery? Please cite a source for that statistic. I had no idea....

As for government health care, have you ever been in a military hospital? My family and I have, outpatient, inpatient, open-heart surgery, emergency care. It was fine, better than fine. We were not plunged into debt nor driven bankrupt.

I also lived in Japan, notorious for its socialized medicine (and longevity of its citizens, hmmm?). I worked there and had the same health plan as my Japanese colleagues. I was admitted to a public hospital for a suspicious tumor. Sure, I was in a multibed room with 7 other patients, but the care was top notch (and my ward mates were interesting). I was in for 10 days. My out of pocket costs were 10,000 Yen (about $140 dollars at the time). A bargain. The Japanese DMV was efficient, but expensive. My drivers license cost about the same as a 10-day hospitalization....

Regards.

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Let's see what an early liberal had to say about how we treat each other....

Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

And in what way would going to the DMV be like Universal Health Care?

I have heard this comparison before and I would like to know what they mean by this.

And why much ado about socialized health care?

Do people complain about socialized law enforcement?

Do people complain about socialized fire protection?

Do people complain about socialized education?

Do people complain about socialized roads, sidewalks, and other infrastructure?

Do people complain about socialized regulation of food safety?

Do people complain about socialized drug safety?

etc.

(yes, there are some that complain, but is there really a valid argument?)

"Providing for the common welfare" in a part of the United States Constitution. If health care is not part of the common welfare, I don't know what is.

Regards.

Why do all Canadians with money come to the states to get high risk surgery? Because it's not as great as it sounds folks! Universal Care has its advantages, but let's not forget the disadvantages, namely paying a butt-load of taxes. I was born in Canada, my father went to medical school there, and the day he graduated, he moved to the US to complete his residency here and never went back. He REFUSES to work there! Do you like going to the DMV? Well, that is what going to the doctor will be like if Uncle Sam is running the show. I'd personally would have a choice of which specialist I go and see, another thing I would give up with Universal Health care. Are you guys stopping to think about the choices you'll be giving up? And to those who think doctors charge too much, think of all the people who go to the hospital every year, who must be seen, but don't pay a dime! Majority of the people I take care of in the ER personally. Most the time it isn't even an "emergency", they know they will be seen, but won't have to pay! Government again at its finest...

The two universal systems I have some familiarity with - Canadian and French - offer completely free choice of doctor, as do both of the proposals for single payer in this country. Going to the doctor in Canada is just like going to the doctor in the US - except you don't get a bill afterwards.

And someone finally studied the thing about Canadians coming to the US for care. Remember that most of the population of Canada is quite close to the US border. The finding was that .1% of Canadians had ever traveled to the US for healthcare - 1 in 1,000. By comparison, about 1 in 30 Californians travel to Mexico for care each year.

Specializes in Rehabilitation; LTC; Med-Surg.
The only reason people need health insurance is that docs charge too much and drugs cost too much. Lower the prices, people pay less and can then afford it.

The measure of a civilised society is to see how it treats the poor and sick.

That won't happen until American's - as a collective society - focuses on preventing health problems rather than "quick fixing" their issues.

Specializes in Rehabilitation; LTC; Med-Surg.
I know folks like the lady in the story who never give up their Canadian citizenship (and go "home" for x amount of time a year) just so they can keep their Canadian health insurance.

I also think that we should go single payer; I've put too many patients in body bags who didn't go to the doc for the breast lump, rectal bleeding, or recurrent headaches because they didn't have insurance -- when they finally come in, it's too late. I also think we should change the laws so that an ER trip costs more than an office visit, and if you're on assistance and go to the ER for non emergency stuff, it gets taken out of your check (with lots of education on what's an emergency and what's not). Maybe that would keep our "demerol and diet soda q2h" group out of the ER.

I completely agree. One of my aunts - who died last year - grew up and lived in poverty her entire life. My mother bought her private health insurance and as soon as my aunt received her card, she immediately went to the doctor for her checkup. To her surprise, she had full blown lung cancer. That dyspnea on exertion was more than what everyone thought, it was actually the end stages of her disease. And all that weight she had been losing throughout the last year? Nope, she did not have an eating disorder nor was she on drugs).

Point is, when health insurance was made available to my aunt, she was happy to go to the doctor. Not saying it was the best insurance policy. Just adding to your statement that with a single payer health insurance program, costs of healthcare would eventually decrease, period, because more people can catch their diseases early, aka prevention rather than treatment.

Specializes in LTC.
The two universal systems I have some familiarity with - Canadian and French - offer completely free choice of doctor, as do both of the proposals for single payer in this country. Going to the doctor in Canada is just like going to the doctor in the US - except you don't get a bill afterwards.

And someone finally studied the thing about Canadians coming to the US for care. Remember that most of the population of Canada is quite close to the US border. The finding was that .1% of Canadians had ever traveled to the US for healthcare - 1 in 1,000. By comparison, about 1 in 30 Californians travel to Mexico for care each year.

I would be very interested to know what study you are quoting when you write that .1% of Canadians are traveling to the US for healthcare. I am interested in gathering information on it.

Thanks.

I would be very interested to know what study you are quoting when you write that .1% of Canadians are traveling to the US for healthcare. I am interested in gathering information on it.

Thanks.

You can find the info here:

http://cthealth.server101.com/myth_canadians'_use_of_healthcare_in_the_u_s_.htm

The link in that article to the original in the journal "Health Affairs" no longer seems to work, but you could likely track that down without too much trouble. It's a major enough journal to find in many libraries, at least university libraries.

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