ADVICE for Students in Ontario RPN vs RN - page 4
I have seen many threads, students asking advice/opinion on weather they should take the RPN or RN program. I just wanted to share my experience and opinion on this subject as a RPN. I completed... Read More
Oct 27, '14Joined: Oct '04; Posts: 8,588; Likes: 9,746I would love to have "stable" patients "who are not as complex as the RN's" but it just doesn't happen. Nor will the Charge change assignments when patients become unstable.
The IV push course I took was the same as the one the RNs on my unit took. No difference.
I would say you do have a problem with practical nurses just from the amount you've posted tonight. Your posts display an immature attitude towards your coworkers and the practice of nursing.
Do you feel that Diploma RNs (there are thousands of them still working, the last class in my province graduated in 2009) are less of an RN than you a degree RN? Do you feel that they aren't entitled to earn the same as you.
News flash, the Practical Nurse programme in two provinces is the old diploma RN programme.
Now pull up your big girl panties/big boy boxer shorts and adjust your viewpoint because I don't see you being a co-worker who will be liked or respected with the views that you've spouted tonight.Last edit by Fiona59 on Oct 27, '14
Oct 28, '14Joined: Jan '11; Posts: 272; Likes: 227Quote from iwanabeanurseActually it is allowed with the proper training along with accessing and deaccessing cvad's. We are trained to know what can go wrong. Rpns also are involved in codes.Some one also commented saying theyre an rpn and can start IVs and push meds??? Not sure where youre working but thats not allowed.
You are coming off as quite childish, uninformed, and most likely an rn student or new grad that was taught you are better than an rpn and be scared because we are taking your jobs. If you look at nursing history this has been going on for over 100 years. Md's were scared RN's would take over, RNs scared lpn/rpns would take iver, and rpns scared psw's will take over. Everyobe on the health care team is important. Your title doesn't make you any better than the next. I have seen plenty of rns and rpns that i wouldnt let babysit my cat.
Oct 28, '14Joined: Mar '13; Posts: 456; Likes: 435I have vowed to myself that when I graduate with my BScN and am no longer practicing as an RPN, I will never forget just how hard I worked every single day as an RPN. I will remember the skills and critical thinking I used on a daily basis and will continue to stand up to the ignorance displayed by so many others in this field. I have witnessed so much blatant disrespect from healthcare providers towards RPNs (mostly from RNs, I have never been made to feel inferior by a physician) and it is shameful.
We are all nurses, when did it become about competing with each other? I refuse to compete with anybody. You are not a better nurse than I am because you have more education. In the same way that an NP is not better than an RN. We may have different roles and education levels but we are ALL important.
I do not go around bashing PSW/CNAs because of the difference in their education vs. mine. When a PSW complains they deserve a raise I do not assume they are saying that because they feel they are doing my job. I recognize the value in the work they do and am here to support them as much as I can. Study after study shows that cohesion amongst the interprofessional team improves patient outcomes, and isn't that the ultimate goal? I didn't spend years in school to battle with my coworkers about who is more important. If I wanted to do that, I would have stayed in retail and saved myself years of tuition and all-nighters.
We should be standing together, united, for the betterment of our patients but also in the name of our amazing profession. Nurses are consistently ranked one of the most trusted professions but how are we to be trusted when we are abusing our own?
Something to consider.
Oct 28, '14Joined: Jan '11; Posts: 272; Likes: 227I agree. Everyone on the health care
team is important and each role
deserves respect. Without the cleaners the rooms would be a mess, without laundry services we would not have clean linens, without food services who would make our patients meals. We all need to see the value in each others work.
Oct 28, '14Joined: Nov '13; Posts: 144; Likes: 106Quote from iwanabeanurseYou don't think it's cool to bash RN new grads, yet you're here bashing RPNs?!They had a bit more experience in clinical but a lot of the stuff we did was new to them too, so I dont think its cool to bash RN new grads. Even the rpns who had years of experience didnt think it was a cake walk
Oct 28, '14Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 12; Likes: 1I'm "bashing" Rpns because I dont think they should be paid the same, RN and Rpn have different responsibilities, people are going on about how everyone in healthcare is important, who said they werent? Rpns have a role in healthcare but theyre not RNs, Rpns are not supposed to have unstable pts, some on here are saying they still get them then go talk to your manager, not demand a pay raise. If RN and Rpn was the same then why not have everyone just become rpn and pay them the 35/hr. Why did they bother to make it a degree? As for diploma nurses, Im sorry to say this but yes sometimes those nurses dont follow the new policies and procedures because theyve been doing something a certain way for years and dont want to change it, and some of the old methods of doing things are not right.
Oct 29, '14Joined: Oct '04; Posts: 8,588; Likes: 9,746Clip, clop. The troll returns. Must be for hallowe'en
Oct 29, '14Joined: Nov '13; Posts: 144; Likes: 106Quote from iwanabeanurseI don't see why you're getting so worked up about RPNs (based on this post and your previous ones on this thread). They are NURSES (just like RNs). Yes, there are some differences for sure, but so many RPNs are great nurses. I wouldn't say all RNs are better than all RPNs just because they have a degree. On any hospital floor or LTC facility, you will see experienced RPNs mentoring new RNs.I'm "bashing" Rpns because I dont think they should be paid the same, RN and Rpn have different responsibilities, people are going on about how everyone in healthcare is important, who said they werent? Rpns have a role in healthcare but theyre not RNs, Rpns are not supposed to have unstable pts, some on here are saying they still get them then go talk to your manager, not demand a pay raise. If RN and Rpn was the same then why not have everyone just become rpn and pay them the 35/hr. Why did they bother to make it a degree? As for diploma nurses, Im sorry to say this but yes sometimes those nurses dont follow the new policies and procedures because theyve been doing something a certain way for years and dont want to change it, and some of the old methods of doing things are not right.
Oct 29, '14Joined: Oct '04; Posts: 8,588; Likes: 9,746I think what "iwannabeanurse"'s problem is that they are afraid of PNs. They caught one poster's comment on pay inequity and are making it there sole topic of posting. There have been several other posters on this thread who have only made one post in their entire posting history and it's to trash PNs. It's fear pure and simple. They have bought into the degree programme is the only way to be a nurse. They need to justify their choice, the expense of their education. There are fewer and fewer RN jobs out there and they are starting to panic.
They bought into the misconception that there will always be a need for nurses and it's a well paying job with a very good paycheque at the end of the training programme. They haven't accepted that nursing changes, the need for specific types of nurses change. The degree was never meant to be a bedside entry point. It was designed for nurses who wanted to advance through the healthcare hierarchy.
Personally, I think that RNs who work on my unit should be paid the same as LPNs, unless they are taking Charge duties. There is absolutely no difference in scope of practice and even in skill set. Our service manager has even admitted that the PN/RN ratio needs to be changed because they are paying for way too many RNs on a service that could have a higher staff percentage of LPNs working. It all comes down to union protectionism.
But hey, what do I know? I'm "only" an LPN who had no "critical thinking skills" and need to be micromanaged.
Oct 29, '14Specialty: 3 year(s) of experience in NICU ; From: CA ; Joined: Mar '12; Posts: 695; Likes: 983LOL "wannabeanurse"...do you even have a clue? You sound like a new grad RN who is up on their high and mighty horse...because those are the only ones I ever see with this attitude.
I am an RPN working on a very acute surgical unit. I get unstable patients all the time. Is it right? No, but when I get these patients i COLLABORATE with my RN coworkers to care for the patient together. As for code blues? Happen all the time on my unit. And yes, to my patients. And guess what? Most of them actually live, even though I'm just a stupid RPN who doesn't know anything. In the event of an emergency, no one is going "ok now where are all the RNs?"...the entire team steps in and works together. Are you really saying that you would trust a new grad RN more than a seasoned RPN? I mentor RN students and new grads all the time. on my floor there is zero differentiation between RN and RPN, we all work together. There are three (3) skills on my floor that I cannot perform as an RPN, and no meds that I can't hang (that we use on my floor). I'm not saying I should be paid the same as an RN with 4 years of school under their belt, but considering we do the exact same job...it would be nice to not cap out at a pitiful amount.
Now before you go crazy on me, recognize that I am not saying that RNs and RPNs are the same. I am actually currently in the RPN to BSCN program and there are differences in education, I'm not denying it. But does it really take an RN to insert an IV? Come on now, that's just laughable. I did the same IV course that RNs do...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put in an IV. "Oh, this patient needs an IV...they must be way to unstable for an RPN!" Listen to yourself.
The only reason I am in school to become an RN is because I want to work in critical care areas. Pretty much all I've learned in this program is research and leadership, and maybe a little more anatomy and patho. But I'll tell you 99% of what I've learned to be a good nurse were learned in my PN program and on the job.
I have to say, I certainly wouldn't want you as my coworker if you have such an anti teamwork attitude towards your colleagues. Get a grip.
Oct 29, '14Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 12; Likes: 1You guys can all say Rns and Rpns are the same, maybe thats why the hospital I work at has gotten rid of all them on all the med surg floors....
Oct 30, '14Joined: Mar '13; Posts: 456; Likes: 435Quote from iwanabeanurseNO BODY here is saying that. You are stuck in your own mind, move on.You guys can all say Rns and Rpns are the same, maybe thats why the hospital I work at has gotten rid of all them on all the med surg floors....Last edit by xokw on Oct 30, '14
Oct 30, '14Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: Medical and general practice now LTC ; From: CA ; Joined: Feb '01; Posts: 63,964; Likes: 14,905OK everyone enough
This thread is not about bashing each other. I have worked with some great LPN's and great RN's in the same context of working with bad LPN's and RN's. We all do a great job no matter where we work. We all have a role to do and hopefully do it well and to the best of our capabilities and at times our roles do cross over but hey............ at the end of the day we are there for the patient not to score marks against each other