iwanabeanurse

Thanks for reading through my previous posts, I like that youre trying to find out about my interests. But ya that is the main reason why I DO NOT want to go for further education, Im not looking for easy way outs nor am I going to complain and say I should be paid like an NP. I liked the NP job because it involves advanced assessment and patho which is what I'm good at, but its not worth it since its mainly focused on research and writing and FYI I didnt just get by in nursing school my writing skills are quite sufficient for the university level, do I care to work at it to make it up to the PHD level? Not really, because I hate it therefore grad school is not for me, at least I can accept it. So ya Im not going for further schooling, Im an RN and unlike others Im not demanding pay raises. And no one is demeaning anyone, you want to get paid more then go be an RN or work in a less stressful environment

You guys can all say Rns and Rpns are the same, maybe thats why the hospital I work at has gotten rid of all them on all the med surg floors....

I'm "bashing" Rpns because I dont think they should be paid the same, RN and Rpn have different responsibilities, people are going on about how everyone in healthcare is important, who said they werent? Rpns have a role in healthcare but theyre not RNs, Rpns are not supposed to have unstable pts, some on here are saying they still get them then go talk to your manager, not demand a pay raise. If RN and Rpn was the same then why not have everyone just become rpn and pay them the 35/hr. Why did they bother to make it a degree? As for diploma nurses, Im sorry to say this but yes sometimes those nurses dont follow the new policies and procedures because theyve been doing something a certain way for years and dont want to change it, and some of the old methods of doing things are not right.

and I wouldnt say I have a problem with rpns but I think its ridiculous to pay them the same as RNs when their patients are not as complex as the RN's. The RN is more like the one that has to act and respond if a patient suddenly experiences complications, the rpns isnt, I would love it if it was always smooth sailing but as an RN you dont get to just bail, which is what they do on most med surg floors they take the unstable guy and give it to the rn.

Even the bridging program doesnt cover all of the straight university program, at my school the bridging program nurses dont take 2 of the anatomy courses and they dont take pathophysiology, which I think is pretty important. And the anatomy courses cover different things so it seems silly to me that they leave 2 of them out and wats the point of making the rpns take anatomy 3 of theyre not going to take patho? Anatomy builds up for patho. . I guess they assume the rpn would have learned most of that stuff in practice, but im just saying the bridging program doesnt show everything the student rns learn. And even though the rpns do well in the bridging program I wouldnt say most of them greatly excel over the RN students with no experience. They had a bit more experience in clinical but a lot of the stuff we did was new to them too, so I dont think its cool to bash RN new grads. Even the rpns who had years of experience didnt think it was a cake walk

If you are an Rpn and youre getting unstable patients then go complain to your union because its not in your scope of practise to care for unstable pts. Some one also commented saying theyre an rpn and can start IVs and push meds??? Not sure where youre working but thats not allowed, RNs are allowed to do these skills because theyve been taught more in depth about these procedures nad know what can go wrong if done incorectly, its not just skills, its the science behind it. I think the frustration comes from employers letting their rpns do more than they were intended to do. An RN and RPN are not the same job, one is more stressful and deals with more critical patients. Even the courses are way different, the anatomy they Rpns do is nothing like what the Rns do, I did a condensed anatomy college ourse before going into uni and that course was 1 semester and the rpns take it over the span of 2 semesters, that college anatomy class only covered probably only half of one of the THREE anatomy courses that RNs take in 1st yr, and what it did cover was very on the surface, I was familiar with a lot of the concepts of my 1st uni anatomy course but the no where near as detailed as the uni class went into. Its like in college they told you what a kidney is and what its for, in uni you know what it is, what it does, how it does it and all the things that can go wrong with it.

I dont get why so many Rpns are so buthurt? Do you guys really expect to get paid more even though you didnt get the same education? Its a university degree for a reason, you cant just get paid the same as an RN because youve been working for a long time, it may look like rns and Rpns are doing the same thing but theyre not, or they legally shouldnt be. For example, rpns are not supposed to take care of unstable patients, and imo thats enough to pay rpns less. The unstable patient is where the real critical thinking happens, its life or death not just skills like hanging meds and giving pills. An Rpn most likely doesnt deal with code blues, which can be very stressful. It only looks like RNs and Rpns do the same thing until an emergency happens and recognizing how to pick up on signs of approaching emergency. Most of the jobs of Rpns dont compare to critical care Rns, like a nursing home does not compare to an RN working in ICU, ER or med surg, on my floor we do have Rpns which are probably the most skilled an Rpn can get but their assignments are the easier ones, they dont deal with the serious stuff and if they do its unexpected and the rpns assignment would be changed and the unstable pt would be given to the RN.

Which school do you go to? How many students are in the program? Do they teach in class rooms or is it all on line? How long did you work before you applied, and why did the prep take a year? A year to write an essay and get references??

I dont plan to work if I do get into a masters program, do you know specifically what average is needed? If the minimum requirement is like an A+ throughout all 4 yrs, then I'm probably not going to bother. Its fine if the research is part of the program but I dont want to become an NP to work in researching. I would think the program would include advance patho and assessment, which is what I'm interested in learning about. Also does anyone know if the 2 years experience has to be in ER/ICU or can in be on a normal med surg floor?

Yes, I'm graduating this yr, still have to write the CRNE. I have a new grad position on my med surg consolidation floor. Its a nephrology floor. I know I have to work for a year-2years but I wanted to know what are my chances of getting in, if theres no point then I may just go to the OR.

Thank you for your response. Do you know what the average was to get in? Are you also in Ontario? And do you know if its possible to be a nurse practitioner without the research stuff required in most masters programs? The University websites make it sound confusing since there is a MsN, NP program and a program that offers both, but then it says NPs need to have a bachelors and a masters to apply, then it says theres a thesis option or a clinical option for a masters degree. I'm not interested in research at all, I'm interested in being a nurse but also being allowed to do more than a regular RN.

Hello, I would like some information about personal experiences with nursing masters Degrees/Nurse practitioner programs. I'm graduating from Uottawa/Algonquin and I'm interested in going for a masters to be a nurse practitioner, I'm not that interested in research and don't like writing essays. I would like to be an advance practice nurse. I'm not sure if I even have high enough grades to get in, I have a B+ in every course in 4th yr, so my overall GPA for my undergrad is probably a 6 something, the Uottawa website says they want a minimum of a 6 GPA(B) but of course thats only the minimum. So it would be great if anyone who was accepted for a masters in Ontario or knows anyone that did could share their experiences, what GPA is really needed to get in, how much more difficult masters is than undergrad, and how competitive the program is etc and where you work with a masters. I've looked on the internet for more info but cant find anyone with personal experience about this, I can only find information about the program from the universities website.