Can nursing programs graduate practice ready nurses?

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I was asked to conduct courtesy interviews for several new nurses who were not able to obtain a job as a nurse. These nurses had graduated in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

It was interesting to speak with them as they were hopeful that a job would come their way.

What did concern me was that these nurses did not understand that they are not practice ready. By practice ready, I mean being able to go on the floor, get report and get to work as either a staff or charge nurse.

The nurses I spoke with had their degree and a license to practice but no paid experience. Volunteer experience is a great way to make contacts but it is not the backbone of a resume.

I explained to the nurses how tight positions for nurses are and that more belt tightening will be occurring in healthcare in the region (NYC).

All the nurses were under the impression that once they got their RN they could do what they wanted professionally. The expectations they have about the nursing profession are very inflated.

The changes over the last several years are having a cumulative effect...schools are graduating too many nurses for too few positions. As new nurses are graduated, the previous years graduates become more unlikely to get a nursing job. Skills fade when not used plus employers would rather take a new nurse straight out of school rather than a nurse who has been on the side lines.

Nursing schools base their educational program on the assumption that their graduates will be employed in a hospital. The hospital will prepare the graduate nurse to function as a staff nurse via new nurse orientation programs and preceptor programs. Due to the problems in the economy which has been effecting facilities since the 2007 recession, positions have been reduce or eliminated, turnover is down, fiscal issues are becoming a priority effecting everyone in healthcare.

New nurses are expensive to train and orient. My personal feelings is that if the schools did a better job preparing students to practice, the graduates would have a better chance to secure gainful employment. We all know of nurses who got a job as a nurse in a hospital, went through a lengthy & costly orientation only to realize nursing is not for them. Some of these nurse will bounce from job to job hoping their next employer will be different. It sad to say but it is the same everywhere...just different characters. In the era of a nursing shortage, new nurses could do this, today it is a different ball game.

I told the nurses the standard advice: keep applying, volunteer, get a BSN or other training, etc. The sad fact is if these woman need to be working not on the sidelines hoping that jobs will be opening up in the next few months.

I firmly believe if the schools had prepared the nurses for practice, the nurses would have a better chance in the job market. I also firmly believe that nursing schools need to prepare nurses for the future of nursing practice...community health, home health, LTC, public health and outpatient and clinic practices. Schools don't play up these areas but these are the areas that nurses in the future will be working. Hospitals will become leaner with more treat and street services.

Anyway, this is my thoughts on this subject. I welcome comments.

Specializes in PDN; Burn; Phone triage.
And what did they do for those three years?

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Sadly? nursing students these days aren't really comprised of the same homologous group of single, childless, very young women that was more the norm 30-40 years ago when nursing was more of a bridge to eventually getting married and becoming a stay at home mom like the poster in this blog that you linked.

I agree with most of your other post but do think that you're kind of flippantly disregarding the "other constraints" placed on the modern student. Not every college student simply wants time to vacation in Mexico or is slogging their way through Esoteric Poetry 101. Heck, I went to a very traditional brick and mortar 4-year BSN program and the vast majority of my peers had families - husbands, wives, children! - and/or needed to work in order to support themselves through schooling that has become significantly more expensive than it was in the 80s.

Sadly? nursing students these days aren't really comprised of the same homologous group of single, childless, very young women that was more the norm 30-40 years ago when nursing was more of a bridge to eventually getting married and becoming a stay at home mom like the poster in this blog that you linked.

I agree with most of your other post but do think that you're kind of flippantly disregarding the "other constraints" placed on the modern student. Not every college student simply wants time to vacation in Mexico or is slogging their way through Esoteric Poetry 101. Heck, I went to a very traditional brick and mortar 4-year BSN program and the vast majority of my peers had families - husbands, wives, children! - and/or needed to work in order to support themselves through schooling that has become significantly more expensive than it was in the 80s.

Intention of the second post with link was not to offend, but to demonstrate what a typical diploma program was; am very sorry you are upset.

However still stand by the fact there is no free lunch when it comes to producing nursing school graduates with the clinical competence skills hospitals increasing are demanding. If they are not acquired in school they have to be gotten somewhere. It is quite clear many places no longer consider it their duty or job to do so; they will do what is required obviously but there are limits and it won't be on any large scale. Well not at least whilst everyone expects hospitals to pick up the tab for this post graduation "education" out of their own purses.

Specializes in MedSurg, OR, Cardiac step down.

I've only been a nurse for 9 short months. BSN. I still ask a ton of 'stupid' questions. But I feel confident in my questions that I lessen my risk of mistake. Frankly I'm frightened by some of the new nurses that started with me that know everything already, yet when they aren't so sure say just do it that way. Scary to think what they do in a room when they don't really know what they are doing, just guessing?? Or when I hear another say she try's to talk pts out of their heparin shots so she doesn't have to do them. Or when a pt tells me she had to tell the previous night nurse to use alcohol before pricking her finger for a BS. This scares me dearly.

I know a local hospital to me has a nursing residency program in which you pay the hospital for experience and if you're good, they often hire you, but at the very least it makes a potential employer more likely to give you a shot over the next applicant with no work history. Here's the link.

Education | LibertyHealth System

I'm sure other hospitals have these types of programs, this particular hospital gets all sorts of action so it's a great experience.

Specializes in PDN; Burn; Phone triage.
Intention of the second post with link was not to offend, but to demonstrate what a typical diploma program was; am very sorry you are upset.

Have you thrown your diarrhea filled ostomy bag at me? Then I'm not upset. ;) I thought the link that you provided was very interesting and informative. I love historical stuff. But. What I was really trying to illustrate is that the rigor of the old diploma programs just isn't feasible in the current day.

I agree whole-heartedly that most programs are sorely lacking in providing students with a proficiency in even basic nursing skills. I'm only two years out myself so I can't pretend that I gave a bed bath to Jesus while he was coding or whatever. Not that I would have learned to give a good bed bath because we did it exactly once in skills lab on a mannequin that was not 300 lbs, or demented, or trying to hit [on] me.

But where *is* the middle ground? What exists between learning everything in a lab setting and having to physically live in the hospital and essentially provide unpaid work several nights a week to gain experience?

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
Or when a pt tells me she had to tell the previous night nurse to use alcohol before pricking her finger for a BS. This scares me dearly.
Although many of us were taught to swab the patient's fingertip with an alcohol prep pad prior to obtaining a finger stick blood glucose sample, this step is unnecessary and might actually skew the result upward.
snipped for brevity sake only.

But where *is* the middle ground? What exists between learning everything in a lab setting and having to physically live in the hospital and essentially provide unpaid work several nights a week to gain experience?

I don't know, but if you find out let the rest of us know; you may even win that prize they are always giving out in Sweden. *LOL*

Good point, if possible, the patient should simply wash their hands with soap and water before testing BS, but I still see a lot of nurses using alcohol. When I teach patients not to use alcohol, they look at me like I have 3 heads because although we know procedures constantly change in our profession, patients often don't like change! Often times there doctors are not up with the latest changes in procedures, then they say well my doctor said blah blah blah....

One of the best things any nurse can do is subscribe to nursing magazines and journals to keep up with the trends in our field.

Specializes in PDN; Burn; Phone triage.
I don't know, but if you find out let the rest of us know; you may even win that prize they are always giving out in Sweden. *LOL*

Pretty sure that robots are the answer.

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Robots.

Can nursing programs graduate practice ready nurses?

Of course they can, diploma programs did so for decades before and after BSN and ADN programs came along.

Thing was diploma nursing programs were just about that, training/educating nurses. While the apprenticeship method is long out of fashion, the fact remains such programs turned out clinically competent grads that went from GN to RN often with ease and no more change of uniform/caps.

Old school hospital programs offered clinical experiences of two or more days per week with rotations in every area covered by nursing service. Contrary to popular belief many programs kept up with modern developments in the profession and were not merely producing automatons. Theory and rationale were covered along with incorporation of various other disciplines such as science and pharmacology.

Clinical competency is in no small way the result of doing, and doing, and doing things over and over again until one's brain becomes hardwired. Schools now seem to push this off and or hope it comes later at the hospital's expense during orientation, but the latter group is saying "not so fast".

Any person in possession of reasonable intelligence can study a nursing text book and after period of study know enough T&R and whatever to pass an exam; however you certainly wouldn't let them loose on a sick cat much less you and yours.

Problem today is college/university educated nursing students have many demands on their time. If they are to spend two or three full days per week at clinical rotations where does the time come from for classroom time? Not just nursing but the other subjects that are required by the college as a whole and or state for those seeking a degree. This is particularly a problem in the United States where students are used to ample and often long breaks in their school terms.

The current LPN programs are very much like this now. Unfotunetely, very few if any hospitals are hiring clinical skill over letters behind name.

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

In Massachusetts there used to be many hospital based schools of nursing. I attended one and was expected to be able to hit the floor running the day I graduated. There is one hospital based school left...Brockton Hospital School of Nursing. I hire new grads all the time and the difference between the grads from Brockton and any other school is amazing. The hospital school grads have a wealth of experience. Do they know everything? No, but neither do I and I've been an RN for more than 30 years. But, they are certainly far better prepared to take care of patients than the BSN grads I hire. And before anyone says anything about there being too many nursing programs, the BSN grads I hire are graduates of UMASS...a program with an excellent reputation.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Telemetry, Med-Surg.
Going into my first job out of nursing school, I was called "stupid" in front of a group of nurses by my preceptor-being the new nurse on the unit, when I asked a question about a procedure I had never done. If I hadn't learned how to do a certain skill or did not know something, I got eye rolls and the comment "did you even go to nursing school?" I would ask for help and either be told no to my face or was told to figure it out on my own.

And it making it relevant to the post, I do wish that nursing programs did focus more on skill sets as well as book learning before graduating new nurses.

That is terrible. They should be offering advice and support to new nurses who are willing to learn, not eating them alive. It's better to ask a "stupid" question than to perform a skill without the knowledge/experience to back it up and then make an error.

I agree that nursing schools should focus more on skills. The university I attended prepared us well for the NCLEX. They told us that was their goal. My graduating class had a 100% pass rate on NCLEX, but there were so many skills I'd never even seen performed, let alone performed myself. I even requested to observe certain skills during my clinicals so that I wouldn't feel incompetent after graduation.

Nursing is a forever learning field, so there is no way to fully prepare a new nurse for life as a "real nurse", but I think nursing students should have more opportunities to learn and grow. I don't know how your nursing clinicals were, but mine were 90% taking vital signs, making occupied beds and assisting patients to the bathroom. I was a CNA for years, so I don't feel like I learned much and I did not feel prepared when I started my first RN job.

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