i know somoene that cheated in every last one of their pre reqs and has plans to cheat their way through nursing school. they have very poor math skills, and said that they will have a friend who can do math in nursing school with them who will do it for them so they can make a 90% on the math tests. this person has gotten away with cheatign so well i wonder if he will make it as far as being able to sit for the nclex
i am curious to know if there is a way for someone to get all the way through nursing on dishonesty especially for the chronic cheaters who cheat on everything they do? in nursing school do the instructors do more to weed out the cheaters?
i feel that this person doesnt deserve to be a nurse at all. why pick a professoin that you have to do that much cheating. and to not know basic math is big concern as well.
Yes they can. One of the students in a class above me was caught cheating several times, but passed her classes and her boards. Its possible, but speaks more to character and well lets just say it does not reflect kindly.
That said, why get so angry about it and let it effect your life. Whether people pass or not and struggle is only something they can control. Someone cheating isn't going to effect ME and how I DO in nursing school. It is wasted energy to let yourself get angry over something or someone that you have no control over and that doesn't effect your life at all. You know what I mean?
I do know what you mean about not letting it get to me. BUT the cheating has been so bad at one time, I literally could not concentrate on an exam, because the whispers, the page turning and lifting of papers was happening all around me.
What I am most angry about is the hypocrisy of my program and my professors. The beginning of each semester starts with a review of the syllabus including the college policy on honesty and cheating. The nursing profs always toss in their personal crusade against cheaters. Each prof I've told about cheaters has done little to nothing, or if something was done, the cheater in question had no obvious consequences. Being caught red-handed is supposedly grounds for dismissal from the program. Never seen that happen. And yes, all our exams are proctored, with fairly vigilant profs roaming the aisles. But when people have been doing this for years, they are very good at it.
So no, cheating doesn't effect me personally in school, but it does effect my life in general. Whatever you want to call it; ethics, integrity or a moral compass that prods me to point out cheaters. I could totally turn a blind eye, but I see it as who a person is overall. I don't believe that these people are only going to cheat just to get through NS, but then they are going to be the best nurses ever, never falsifying documents, always giving the right meds, following protocol, etc. etc. If I see unsafe practices in the workplace, you better believe I've got something to say about it.
And you are right. I should let it go. And I'd pretty much resolved to do so, until the first day of class with a pop quiz that was for no points and only as a benchmark for the prof... until I saw cheating on said quiz not 5 mins after her lecture on cheaters. ha.
Also, point taken on the strugglers that arent' there anymore. I think about this too sometimes- maybe they need more time for the concepts and knowledge before they get into the workplace and are also unsafe.
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I do know what you mean about not letting it get to me. BUT the cheating has been so bad at one time, I literally could not concentrate on an exam, because the whispers, the page turning and lifting of papers was happening all around me.
What I am most angry about is the hypocrisy of my program and my professors. The beginning of each semester starts with a review of the syllabus including the college policy on honesty and cheating. The nursing profs always toss in their personal crusade against cheaters. Each prof I've told about cheaters has done little to nothing, or if something was done, the cheater in question had no obvious consequences. Being caught red-handed is supposedly grounds for dismissal from the program. Never seen that happen. And yes, all our exams are proctored, with fairly vigilant profs roaming the aisles. But when people have been doing this for years, they are very good at it.
So no, cheating doesn't effect me personally in school, but it does effect my life in general. Whatever you want to call it; ethics, integrity or a moral compass that prods me to point out cheaters. I could totally turn a blind eye, but I see it as who a person is overall. I don't believe that these people are only going to cheat just to get through NS, but then they are going to be the best nurses ever, never falsifying documents, always giving the right meds, following protocol, etc. etc. If I see unsafe practices in the workplace, you better believe I've got something to say about it.
And you are right. I should let it go. And I'd pretty much resolved to do so, until the first day of class with a pop quiz that was for no points and only as a benchmark for the prof... until I saw cheating on said quiz not 5 mins after her lecture on cheaters. ha.
Also, point taken on the strugglers that arent' there anymore. I think about this too sometimes- maybe they need more time for the concepts and knowledge before they get into the workplace and are also unsafe.
The distractions of the cheating during the exam by what you described, that is effecting you and I can absolutely understand getting upset and frustrated. Our last exam about 6 people walked in late, now we have rules on that but this instructor is a bit of a push over and so he still gave them the test, we were already started ours, they were like 5 mins late. Very distracting and a lot of us were upset.
As far as the rest, I can understand the frustration and stuff, but one thing I have learned in life is to not waste my energy on things that are out of my control. It's not good for you to hold onto the anger and stress of what others are doing. Anyway, not trying to be preachy or rude so I hope I am not coming off that way. I just used to be someone that would let myself get so upset and angry over stuff like that or like peoples post on a forum much like this and I finally had to reflect and realize how draining it was and for what?
No, you are totally right about letting things go. It's a learning curve for me on that one. I really hope that with age comes a little wisdom.. and patience...please.
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
No, you are totally right about letting things go. It's a learning curve for me on that one. I really hope that with age comes a little wisdom.. and patience...please.
I had to grow up really early, so maybe I am ahead of the curve LOL but it does come and it wasn't easy getting there. Once it comes though it is really nice. Now I can see things that used to set me off and laugh at it and move on. I can really see it makes the other person look the fool and it's quiet satisfying. HAHA.
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After having another student attempt to cheat off of me during our first test (which I thought was pretty dumb - how did she know if I knew anything at that point??), I decided to arrive early for tests (which I would anyway) and sit in the front of the class. Believe me, those who want to cheat are not in the front row. I didn't have to deal with any distractions from other students during tests and did not know what went on during tests. I was fine with that. I was there for my education, that's what I focused on. I let the teachers deal with the other students. They have experience and have many ways other than just quizzes and tests to evaluate a student's knowledge. And I can't see how you could get anyone to do care plans for you :>)
why is everybody's answer is always to 'let things go'? just 'focus on you' this advice is given to almost everything in life. how come its not okay to care or have an opinion about things that dont necessarily affect you directly? and i feel what other people do at times can have an effect on you and others. like all the cheating and stupid ppl getting by makes it harder for honest ppl who can learn. i was in a class where the some students got ahold of the first few exams and when it got out the dean had every last single student drop out of the class and we had to register again the next semester! focus on you is some bull...lol i wasnt cheating so why did I have to drop? i was focusing on me right? lol
why is everybody's answer is always to 'let things go'? just 'focus on you' this advice is given to almost everything in life. how come its not okay to care or have an opinion about things that dont necessarily affect you directly? and i feel what other people do at times can have an effect on you and others. like all the cheating and stupid ppl getting by makes it harder for honest ppl who can learn. i was in a class where the some students got ahold of the first few exams and when it got out the dean had every last single student drop out of the class and we had to register again the next semester! focus on you is some bull...lol i wasnt cheating so why did I have to drop? i was focusing on me right? lol
I agree with you. Looking the other way because it doesn't directly effect me, is a playground response. My school policy states that if I witness cheating and don't report it, I'm as guilty as the cheater. So, if I witness cheating, I report it. I truly don't understand this attitude of looking the other way. Cheaters do impact me, they change the curve of the exams and more importantly, they impact the credibility of the program I'm in!
Reporting what I've seen, is also just the right thing to do. For me, that's reason enough.
When I personally talk about "letting it go", I mean the anger over the cheaters. I mean serious, bad mojo anger. Not healthy for me. NS is stressful enough. I'm assuming that's what mi vida loca means also.
Is it bad that I wouldn't notice cheating if it was happening around me? During exams I tune everything out and focus on the questions. We were talking about this at clinical and apparently....some former classmates were good for copying assignments from upperclassmen. There was some questionable stuff going on during testing, too. How that happened, I have no idea.....because our instructors are pretty rigid about conditions during tests.
Whether by their choice or not, those people are no longer students. In this case, my ignorance is bliss :)
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
When I personally talk about "letting it go", I mean the anger over the cheaters. I mean serious, bad mojo anger. Not healthy for me. NS is stressful enough. I'm assuming that's what mi vida loca means also.
Yes it is. I wasn't saying it about the cheaters, I was saying not to let it personally anger you or cause negativity in your life. (you being general)
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During exams I tune everything out and focus on the questions. We were talking about this at clinical and apparently....some former classmates were good for copying assignments from upperclassmen. There was some questionable stuff going on during testing, too. How that happened, I have no idea.....because our instructors are pretty rigid about conditions during tests..thumb.jpg.95579fecd0c06f764e0cfdf4eb6f58b0.jpg){kind=small}
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Yes they can. One of the students in a class above me was caught cheating several times, but passed her classes and her boards. Its possible, but speaks more to character and well lets just say it does not reflect kindly.