can you make it all the way through nursing school on dishonesty alone?

[Desire2Learn]

i know somoene that cheated in every last one of their pre reqs and has plans to cheat their way through nursing school. they have very poor math skills, and said that they will have a friend who can do math in nursing school with them who will do it for them so they can make a 90% on the math tests. this person has gotten away with cheatign so well i wonder if he will make it as far as being able to sit for the nclex

i am curious to know if there is a way for someone to get all the way through nursing on dishonesty especially for the chronic cheaters who cheat on everything they do? in nursing school do the instructors do more to weed out the cheaters?

i feel that this person doesnt deserve to be a nurse at all. why pick a professoin that you have to do that much cheating. and to not know basic math is big concern as well.

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

I don't agree with the once a cheater always a cheater, or like even when people say once a thief always a thief.

I was bad in school, Elementary, JHS and HS. I am sure I cheated and I used to steal. I was a messed up kid that had a seriously messed up life, I didn't care about consequences.

I am not that same person anymore. I have never cheated in College. I never cheated at my Alternative HS. I had dropped out of HS and went back a year later to alternative. I don't steal anymore. I don't do a lot of the stuff I used to do.

[Penelope_Pitstop, BSN, RN]

I know someone who, for the most part, did just that.

However, she struggled in clnicals (can't really cheat there!) and failed her boards on the first try.

[CuriousMe]

With the exception of grade school (where character is still developing), I do believe once a cheater always a cheater.

I believe that cheating is a character flaw of someone who is always looking for the easy way, versus the right way. Stealing is really the same thing, the thief steals physical things and the cheater steals knowledge and advantage.

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

With the exception of grade school (where character is still developing), I do believe once a cheater always a cheater.

I believe that cheating is a character flaw of someone who is always looking for the easy way, versus the right way. Stealing is really the same thing, the thief steals physical things and the cheater steals knowledge and advantage.

Well I believe people can change. I have seen it first hand and experienced it first hand. I never cheated on exams or tests, I would copy homework though, I would forge parents signatures on detention slips and I would skip class all the time. I didn't steal for some textbook reason either, not why I cheated as well.

People live different lives, go through different things, and handle things differently. Who I was when I was a teenager is not the same person I am today.

I would think that people in nursing especially would know that things aren't always black and white.

[CuriousMe]

Well I believe people can change. I have seen it first hand and experienced it first hand. I never cheated on exams or tests, I would copy homework though, I would forge parents signatures on detention slips and I would skip class all the time. I didn't steal for some textbook reason either, not why I cheated as well.

People live different lives, go through different things, and handle things differently. Who I was when I was a teenager is not the same person I am today.

I would think that people in nursing especially would know that things aren't always black and white.

Congratulations, but that doesn't change my perspective.

At it's heart, cheating is looking for that easy way out. I don't believe that's a character flaw that folks just decide to change. People are who they are....

Unsurprisingly, since I don't think we've agreed on anything on this board yet, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

[PacoUSA, BSN, RN]

Frankly, I wish it were legal to burn cheaters at the stake, period. I personally have an extremely low tolerance for them, and I feel the punishment is often never harsh enough. If you cheat in nursing school, even once, you should be forever banned from entering the profession. There should be a national black list for this. If I were dean of a nursing school, I would have video cameras panned over every single student's desk during an exam. Hell, I would even find a way to pay for that myself if cost became an issue. The honest students shouldn't have anything to worry about.

There is NEVER EVER a justification to cheat. Nurses are being educated to care for human lives! What room is there for dishonest people to hold such a responsibility?

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

An incident that happened last night makes me wonder when college students began to cheat.

My now-7th grader cheated on a test in 2nd grade. My husband and I were extremely angry and disappointed, and we worked with the teacher to ensure it never happened again. (He was separated from the other kids during tests for a little while...humiliating for him, but quite frankly, tough ****.) To my knowledge, he's never cheated again.

I found out last night through a roundabout way that my 5th grader copied a friend's math homework. I didn't yell, but I let him know in no uncertain terms that "there will be no liars or cheaters in this house." I also informed him of the consequences as one gets older of cheating. (One day, when my kid told me that a neighbor girl punched him in the stomach, I explained that, as adults, that's considered assault and you can get thrown in jail for it. I like opening their eyes to adult consequences of things that kids do without thinking.) Based on my 5th grader's reaction to my disappointment and his punishment, I'm pretty sure we won't have cheating issues again.

Part of the reason my kids' solitary incidents with cheating bothers me is because I and their father never cheated in school at all. I wish I could get inside my kids' heads to understand WHAT THE HELL they were thinking!!!

I know this whole story is off-topic, but I'll admit that the incident last night bothered me quite a bit---once a cheater always a cheater; I wish I had a crystal ball to be sure that it doesn't apply to my kids!---and I had to get it off my chest. :)

I wouldn't read to much into it. Kids do stupid stuff. It doesn't mean that is who they will always be or who they are. Look at teenagers. How many teens seem to lose their dang minds, than turn out to be just fine as adults. My oldest son was my dream child. He was such a good responsible kid. I hardly ever had any trouble with him, I could always depend on him. He was polite and respectful. I often had people tell me all the time what a good kid he was and especially since I was a teen mom. Than he turned 13 and I have no idea what the heck happened to him. I am not quiet sure how he made it to 14. I mean over all he is still the same kid inside, I see parts of it all the time. But I swear it's like he is possessed at times. Thankfully I am aware that this is very normal in teens and I know that this isn't going to be the end all and mean that his character is all messed up and he will always be this way.

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

Frankly, I wish it were legal to burn cheaters at the stake, period. I personally have an extremely low tolerance for them, and I feel the punishment is often never harsh enough. If you cheat in nursing school, even once, you should be forever banned from entering the profession. There should be a national black list for this. If I were dean of a nursing school, I would have video cameras panned over every single student's desk during an exam. Hell, I would even find a way to pay for that myself if cost became an issue. The honest students shouldn't have anything to worry about.

There is NEVER EVER a justification to cheat. Nurses are being educated to care for human lives! What room is there for dishonest people to hold such a responsibility?

Seriously? Someone should be burned alive literally because they cheated. :| So glad this isn't a law, I would have hated to be burned at the stake as a kid because I copied someones homework

[PacoUSA, BSN, RN]

Seriously? Someone should be burned alive literally because they cheated. :| So glad this isn't a law, I would have hated to be burned at the stake as a kid because I copied someones homework

It was illustrative, to mark my deep feelings about the situation. Clearly its effect worked in your case. But even kids who cheat need to face severe consequences of their actions. Slaps on the wrist don't work. They think if they get away with it this time they can again.

[~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN]

It was illustrative, to mark my deep feelings about the situation. Clearly its effect worked in your case. But even kids who cheat need to face severe consequences of their actions. Slaps on the wrist don't work. They think if they get away with it this time they can again.

I was just being a smartaleck. I do agree with you on the kids though. I am a pretty strict mom to my kids. I am lenient on some things (music, movies, stuff like that) but I am strict when it comes to respect, school, responsibility and stuff like that. I think what people do as adults though speaks at different volumes than what children and adolescence do.

[PacoUSA, BSN, RN]

I was just being a smartaleck. I do agree with you on the kids though. I am a pretty strict mom to my kids. I am lenient on some things (music, movies, stuff like that) but I am strict when it comes to respect, school, responsibility and stuff like that. I think what people do as adults though speaks at different volumes than what children and adolescence do.

I do agree with you there. I think that punishments that scare kids into going the right way barely phase most adults, so yeah - consequences need to be different (taking away an iPhone forever from an adult doesn't work like it does with a child, lol). Good job on prioritzing discipline where it really matters!