CA Gov. Newsom On Wildfire Devastation: Impact Of Climate Change Cannot Be Denied

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As firefighters battle dozens of deadly wildfires across California, Governor Gavin Newsom warns that climate change is a fundamental part of the crisis. Fires along the West Coast have destroyed towns and forced tens of thousands of evacuations.

 

On 9/14/2020 at 2:22 AM, NRSKarenRN said:

CNN photos: Wildfires Burning in the West

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/us/gallery/western-wildfires-2020/index.html

Nevada Rally: Trump's blaming  poor 'forest management' for wildfires --will see what he says after visiting California Monday

At a rally in Minden, Nev., on Sept. 12, President Trump said wildfires in California, Oregon and Washington state were "dangerous" and "rapidly spreading." He pleaded with listeners to "remember the words - very simple - 'forest management.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/on-west-coast-fires-trump-asserts-need-for-forest-management/2020/09/13/17d540ea-095c-42fb-a5f3-b52edf2bc322_video.html

He got quite a bit of attention over here in Europe back in 2018 when he discussed forest fires with the President of Finland.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/trump_hails_finnish_forest_management/10513765

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/19/make-america-rake-again-finland-trump-forest-fire

It seems that his beliefs regarding what causes the fires haven’t really evolved much since then. 

Edited to add a question: Doesn’t the federal government own much more forest land in California than the state does? It’s been a couple of decades since I lived in California, but that’s what I seem to remember.

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During TV coverage of  President's CA wild fire meeting,  Gov. Newsom stated today that  Federal Government owns 57% forest land in California.

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1 hour ago, NRSKarenRN said:

During TV coverage of  President's CA wild fire meeting,  Gov. Newsom stated today that  Federal Government owns 57% forest land in California.

And while Newsom was pointing this out, the president crossed his arms and looked very much the petulant child. 

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Trump is a clear and present danger to the national security of the nation, the health of the citizens, and the institutions of our republic.  He must be removed from office.  

Despots don't lose elections and walk gracefully away from electoral loss. 

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On 9/14/2020 at 3:30 PM, macawake said:

The west coast is currently battling multiple devastating fires. Many people are losing their homes. Some are dying. Why did you feel the need to introduce partisan politics into this thread? Must everything be Democrats vs Republicans? Sometimes I really despair...

Deforestation isn’t a good thing. Not enough deforestation isn’t a problem this planet we call home is facing. The opposite is true.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/08/amazon-fires-cause-deforestation-graphic-map/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/08/theres-no-doubt-brazils-fires-are-caused-deforestation-scientists-say
I included the next link for no particular reason other than being a fan of RationalWiki ?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_warming

Perhaps you missed the title of the thread and all the other posts,  geez

The Native Americans routinely cleared the land to prevent these fire catastrophes, apparently it is the Dem gov that cant seem to get it together.

On 9/14/2020 at 7:30 PM, NRSKarenRN said:

During TV coverage of  President's CA wild fire meeting,  Gov. Newsom stated today that  Federal Government owns 57% forest land in California.

The Fed gov has been giving money to Calif but bc of all the bureaucrats, red tape, and special interest group's lawsuits nothing gets done in the way of forest management. Not to mention utility companies not updating their equipment while simultaneously charging 3x the price for servives in other states.

But yeah, lets go ahead and blame Trump just like the Dems do for everything else even though it is their incompetence and regulations. 

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Historically California paid more in taxes to the Federal Government than any other state and received millions less: https://www.money-rates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm#section9

Now taxes paid and funds received are almost equal:  https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-longer-pays-more-to-Washington-than-15243861.php

We also pay much less for electricity in Los Angeles because our Los Angeles Department of Water & Power (LADWP) is publicly owned by the the city. Because there are no shareholders the DWP charges much less because it does not have to make a profit: https://cutmybill.com/best-ladwp-electric-rate-plans

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On 9/14/2020 at 10:36 PM, Daisy4RN said:

Perhaps you missed the title of the thread and all the other posts,  geez

The Native Americans routinely cleared the land to prevent these fire catastrophes, apparently it is the Dem gov that cant seem to get it together.

The Fed gov has been giving money to Calif but bc of all the bureaucrats, red tape, and special interest group's lawsuits nothing gets done in the way of forest management. Not to mention utility companies not updating their equipment while simultaneously charging 3x the price for servives in other states.

But yeah, lets go ahead and blame Trump just like the Dems do for everything else even though it is their incompetence and regulations. 

Are you advocating for cutting all the forest to prevent fire? Raking the forest floors? Should Trump get his team busy taking care of the federal forests in California, Washington, Oregon, Colorado? What about the grass fires...do we just need to mow closer?

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On 9/14/2020 at 10:36 PM, Daisy4RN said:

But yeah, lets go ahead and blame Trump just like the Dems do for everything else even though it is their incompetence and regulations. 

Actually, it is Trump who is laying blame for not removing downed trees and leaves. We visited Yosemite 10 years ago and  there were controlled burns taking place then. 

I heard the governor and other officials describe what mitigation has been done but also that climate change is difficult to overcome. All the forest management in the world cannot overcome years of drought and record high temperatures. 

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34 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

Historically California paid more in taxes to the Federal Government than any other state and received millions less: https://www.money-rates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm#section9

Now taxes paid and funds received are almost equal:  https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-longer-pays-more-to-Washington-than-15243861.php

We also pay much less for electricity in Los Angeles because our Los Angeles Department of Water & Power (LADWP) is publicly owned by the the city. Because there are no shareholders the DWP charges much less because it does not have to make a profit: https://cutmybill.com/best-ladwp-electric-rate-plans

Well, you are lucky in LA then. Check out So Cal Edison, prices are absolutely ridiculous, literally 3-4x more. I am glad you are not affected by the fires. I have friends and family affected in both Cal and Oregon.

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22 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Actually, it is Trump who is laying blame for not removing downed trees and leaves. We visited Yosemite 10 years ago and  there were controlled burns taking place then. 

I heard the governor and other officials describe what mitigation has been done but also that climate change is difficult to overcome. All the forest management in the world cannot overcome years of drought and record high temperatures. 

Trump is only stating the facts. The forests have not been taken care of properly for many years and for what ever reasons the fires are started that over growth/dead trees etc make it much more worse. I never said they havent done anything, just not nearly enough bc of the reasons I previously stated.

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52 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Trump is only stating the facts. The forests have not been taken care of properly for many years and for what ever reasons the fires are started that over growth/dead trees etc make it much more worse. I never said they havent done anything, just not nearly enough bc of the reasons I previously stated.

Whyt hasn't Trump taken care of them for the last 3.5 years then? He certainly wasn't planning for a pandemic or working on affordable health care for all...he had time.  Also...isn't it interesting that to hear Trump talk, everything is easy for other people to fix before it becomes his responsibility...then it's impossible to fix and is everyone else's fault. That's a Trumpian pattern of behavior that should be unacceptable to people in the party of personal responsibility.  The flaw in that Trumpian logic is so huge you could drive the Trump train through it...

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3 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

Trump is only stating the facts. The forests have not been taken care of properly for many years and for what ever reasons the fires are started that over growth/dead trees etc make it much more worse. I never said they havent done anything, just not nearly enough bc of the reasons I previously stated.

Trump is stating what he perceives is the truth. Does he really think that some mysterious groundskeepers are going to go out and rake millions of square miles of rugged terrain? At the same time he denies the fact of climate change, and says that science doesn't know about climate. 

Of course Trump is the victim here. Not  the people who have died or lost their homes or are enduring toxic air. And by association, his supporters are victims too, because Dear Leader has been criticized. 

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