BSN vs ADN Education?????

[Traumatized]

I am preparing a debate in a BSN program. I have to argue BSN should not be required for entry into pratice as a professional RN. What do you think either way??????

[SmilingBluEyes]

Please do a search. This subject as someone so adroitly pointed our has been beaten to death!

Please don't feel the need to defend your education level. Please don't feel that you need to denegrate anyone else's education level. In fact PLEASE let this thread alone.

well said.

[traumahawk99]

oh come on, opinions do matter :). i'd love to participate in this debate. i'd only be too flattered if you'd present some of my opinions on this issue...

i'd compare how the actual job as a beginning bedside nurse correlates with a bsn education vs an adn education. what would a bsn do differently than an adn? give a few stats on how requiring a bsn would restrict entry into the profession, etc, and draw conclusions. it will be impossible to do this without relying on opinions. from a social perspective, is it worth creating a massive nursing shortage?

and my opinion (as stated in other threads) is that much of a bsn program is irrelevant to doing the actual job, and a beginning adn is the same as a beginning bsn for all practical purposes.

[austin heart, BSN, RN]

Please do a search!!!!:deadhorse:

This thread needs to be locked.

[traumahawk99]

\There might come a time, sooner than we think, when ADN nurses will be considered nothing more than "technicians", and BSN nurses will be making all the important patient-care decisions (as well as managing). This is not a fantasy; this debate is going on right now at my nursing school. The nurses who control the state boards and professional associations are, for the most part, BSN-educated and higher. ....

i think this will happen when hell freezes over. and yes, it is a fantasy of control freaks at bsn programs. as i've said before, what society needs is bedside nurses, not grand pontificators. much of a bsn program is inane fluff. it's about doing the job in the real world, not appeasing a bunch of control freaks who are running these schools and are more interested in being respected than anything else.

adn nurses only "technicians", bsn nurses making "all the important decisions"?. that's one of the best comedy lines i've heard all year!

[katwoman7755]

i. much of a bsn program is inane fluff. ![/quote

I, too, had no real desire to post to this thread....but that quote is a wee bit inaccurate. I don't think that continuing to expand your knowledge base and preparing for broader roles in nursing comes from participating in a program that "pontificates" "inane fluff."

Having said that, one should closely evaluate how they feel about their own level of education and opportunities in nursing before passing their righteous sword over the heads of the masses....if you are content with where you are, this shouldn't even bother you....and for those who wanted to go further, good for you, and does it truly effect you that others have not.

I think there's a lot to be concerned with re: nursing as a whole....I don't know if it's as simple as which degree you have. For me, the answer is to continue to advance my education....my depth of knowledge...expand my professionalism...and hope that I can influence nursing as a profession.

Kathryn

[traumahawk99]

i agree that inane fluff isn't the best way to describe it. let's try nonsensical inane prattle:). this profession is damned by the desire of to make it independent, which it will never be. this desperation gives rise to such inanities as the holy grails of nic, noc and nanda (better named useless, more useless, and even more useless). the ultimate expression of desperation is therapeutic touch, which teaches us that nurses can be good witches (yes, it's witchcraft, not science). in other words, i guess i'm saying that much of this "education" is worthless in the real world. assessment skills, understanding of pathology/pharmacology, etc... that's what matters. and an adn program can prepare a student just as well as a bsn program.

the vast majority of what you learn is on the job. getting out of school just means you're a suitable trainee. adn or bsn? does it matter in the real world? i find it terribly presumptive that those running bsn programs would attempt to seize the entry level of the profession. this is a self serving power grab for control, and it's anything but honest and caring.

is there room for more education, such an management skills, etc? of course. but requiring a beginning nurse to have what's being taught in bsn programs wouldn't do zip to improve the quality of nursing practice, and would only be counter productive to society.

[Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN]

Can we please lock this thread? The horse has been beaten so much, it doesn't bleed anymore.

[RN4NICU, LPN, LVN]

I agree. The problem with the internet is someone can offer an opinion, as an honest opinion, and then someone will take it as demeaning or read something into it. I can say "BSN should be the entry level for RN practice" and someone will chime in and say "I'm sorry you don't think of me as good enough to be a nurse, how arrogant of you, but let me tell you something............".

Unfortunately, that is how it almost always plays out. As a matter of fact, I bet you went back to one (or more) of the hundreds (or more) of threads on this topic and found those exact quotes...didn'tcha?

When I saw the title of the thread, my first thoughts were:

:smiley_ab :argue: :deadhorse

not because it is not a valid topic of discussion, but because this is how it ALWAYS turns out. Sad, but true fact. I also vote to lock the thread before things get ugly and feelings get hurt.

[suzy253, RN]

Poor horse! Enough already

[Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN]

The problem with the internet is someone can offer an opinion, as an honest opinion, and then someone will take it as demeaning or read something into it.

Probably because the majority of the time, the opinion is accompanied by a false generalization that seems very minimizing of one's education choice, and i can see why people would get bent out of shape about it.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

Probably because the majority of the time, the opinion is accompanied by a false generalization that seems very minimizing of one's education choice, and i can see why people would get bent out of shape about it.

That's probably true. But as I said before it's very hard to argue the pro-BSN point without others feeling like their education as a profressional RN is being minimized.

But you're right, the false generalizations like "ADNs don't have critical thinking skills" is maddening.

[Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN]

That's probably true. But as I said before it's very hard to argue the pro-BSN point without others feeling like their education as a profressional RN is being minimized.

But you're right, the false generalizations like "ADNs don't have critical thinking skills" is maddening.

Well that's what i'm saying. I've seen some argue pro-BSN that throw in a remark liks ADNs not having critical thinking skills, and i'm thinking "this education is the best in your opinion yet you had to throw in that ADN remark to prove this??"