I have been a RN since 1989, graduated with a ASN. Since that time I worked in ICU, Open heart surgery, PICU, Med/Surg and Behavioral Health. I have had the pleasure to have worked as a Nurse Executive only to be told after 25 years to get a BSN. I have a BS in Public Policy and Organizational Leadership and Master of Arts in Theology/Counseling. I asked my employee why after working 13 years a their Executive Nurse on Med/Surg/Peds that they thought I needed a BSN. No answer just demands or lose my job. I told them to stuff it! At 57 I was not going back to school for a BSN when it would only achieve increasing my debt ratio.
Since then I haven't been able to hire on anywhere but a Nursing Home. Let me tell you it is a blessing to work in geriatrics, yet the BSN's that work there are clueless, needing alot of training and retraining which I don't mind doing. It just saddens me that at the end of my career Nursing still has its quirks like they did in the 80's. Remember the period when medical assistants where hired to work in ICUs? That fiasco lasted less then a year.
God bless all of you who have had to face this new fiasco of BSN only apply. I am wondering who agrees with BSN only need to apply?
Lets say they have equal experience...how is the BSN nurse superior?
Kutney-Lee, A., Sloane, D. M., & Aiken, L. H. (2013). An increase in the number of nurses with baccalaureate degrees is linked to lower rates of postsurgery mortality. Health Affairs, 32(3), 579-586.
There is absolutely no difference between the Bachelor of Science in nursing, Bachelor of Science with a major in nursing, and the Bachelor of Arts in nursing. They are all baccalaureate degrees. If you have found an employer that specifically specifies the Bachelor of Science in Nursing, please post a link to their employment page.
The application stated 'BSN preferred'. However during a phone call made to me, the caller wanted to clarify whether I had a BSN or "was your degree a Bachelor of Science with a major in nursing". I have no earthly idea what prompted the call since this was my very first job app since completing the degree. My thoughts were, 'here we go again with the you-only-have-this-we-want-this' crap.
There is absolutely no difference between the Bachelor of Science in nursing, Bachelor of Science with a major in nursing, and the Bachelor of Arts in nursing. They are all baccalaureate degrees. If you have found an employer that specifically specifies the Bachelor of Science in Nursing, please post a link to their employment page.
Here's your link...not the specific one that I applied to, but was the first one that I came to when searching for it...notice that it simply says 'BSN'. Like the one I applied to, that's all it says. But, there was a phone call for clarification....
There is absolutely no difference between the Bachelor of Science in nursing, Bachelor of Science with a major in nursing, and the Bachelor of Arts in nursing. They are all baccalaureate degrees. If you have found an employer that specifically specifies the Bachelor of Science in Nursing, please post a link to their employment page.
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Kutney-Lee, A., Sloane, D. M., & Aiken, L. H. (2013).
An increase in the number of nurses with baccalaureate degrees is linked to lower rates of postsurgery mortality.
Health Affairs, 32(3), 579-586.
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IMHO the study is flawed.
Using Pennsylvania nurse survey and patient discharge data from 1999 and 2006, we found that a ten-point increase in the percentage of nurses holding a baccalaureate degree in nursing within a hospital was associated with an average reduction of 2.12 deaths for every 1,000 patients and for a subset of patients with complications, an average reduction of 7.47 deaths per 1,000 patients. We estimate that if all 134 hospitals in our study had increased the percentage of their nurses with baccalaureates by ten points during our study’s time period, some 500 deaths among general surgery, orthopedic, and vascular surgery patients might have been prevented.
conjecture at best, based on a survey, published by those who benefit from the results...Aiken
I am not against education...really I am not...I object to the persecution of seasoned nurses. I have a BSN. However, I know plenty of fine ASN/ADN nurses. These online bridge programs really don't add to the experienced nurses skill set. They don't.
BSN entry needs to happen it is the future. Pick a day and do it...don't dance around the issue and use it as a tool to cut costs. I know of 3 facilities personally that have talked about using this to decrease costs by "forcing" the experienced nurse back to school they KNOW some will leave thereby decreasing cost. Right now it isn't about the patient benefit and decreased complication rate...they mouth the words in public but that is not what is at the core of this present push for the BSN.
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Do you really think so? I mean, I know you do from your previous postings, but . . . Let's consider that it has taken over 40 years to implement a de facto ( though unofficial) BSN as entry level. I'm thinking it would take another 40 years at least, and no nursing body has endorsed MSN as entry level.
Here's my 2 cents; if we had acted (as a united force, silly, unrealistic, I know), and raised entry to practice, grandfathering all RNs at the time; we wouldn't have empowered employers to make these draconian moves that hurt individual experienced nurses. So we handed this power to them (employers) to use when and how they see fit.
Yes I do....it is within the reality that young nurses will face this in their careers and they need to be cognizant of that fact. If we don't learn from the past we are doomed/obligated to repeat it.
Don't get me wrong I am all for BSN entry. It's time. I"m all for continuing education. I'm all for specialty certification. I am all for it...my daughter is getting her BSN. I don't want people to think I am against higher education standards....I am not!
What I am against is this passive aggressive targeted attack against seasoned nurses. Most of these online RN-BSN programs are fluff and nonsense they add NOTHING to the experienced nurses practice...had I paid for it with my own money I would have been REALLY annoyed.
I am old...er. I am disillusioned, disappointed, and annoyed by it all. I never thought I would see the day that seasoned nurses would be so poorly treated instead of respected for their knowledge. I have sat at the administrative table and heard actual conversations that talked how to best get rid of the over paid seasoned help. To deny or pretend I didn't hear it just isn't possible. Call me a cynic. Some call me a realist.
If the profession was really interested in the "better patient care" and outcomes they would grandfather the ASN/ADN in...covet the ASN/ADN programs to BSN or BSN bridge programs...AND they would STOP the approval and proliferation of these pop up less than stellar academic new programs.
This is truly just my opinion and opinions are like noses everyone has one.
Many nurses went into nursing with pre-existing degrees then decided to pursue nursing. Other nurses wanted to explore what interested them. It's called personal preference.
Yes,i know. I am not talking about people who had prior Degrees before entering Nursing.
The OP pursued a degree not related to nursing while an experienced nurse.
Which is my next question..why did she not pursue a career with her other degree?
I have an Adn,but it would kind of be foolish for me to pursue a MBA,continue to work in Nursing,and then complain years later when the job requires a Bsn.
The $$$ to pursue the MBA could have been used toward The Bsn or Msn.
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Yes,i know. I am not talking about people who had prior Degrees before entering Nursing.
The OP pursued a degree not related to nursing while an experienced nurse.
Which is my next question..why did she not pursue a career with her other degree?
I have an Adn,but it would kind of be foolish for me to pursue a MBA,continue to work in Nursing,and then complain years later when the job requires a Bsn.
The $$$ to pursue the MBA could have been used toward The Bsn or Msn.
Because they wanted to....I don't understand why should it matter "what kind of masters" unless you are a NP. Are we (the collective we) saying now that the only good masters degree is a masters in nursing degree?
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I LOVE that you told them to"stuff it".
I am 52 and i just got a specialty certification. My specialty has both hospital and non-hospital based positions so i am hoping to make it to retirement without getting a BSN which will not enhance my current skill set.
It is ridiculous financially to take on that kind of debt at this age. I do believe they will try the same move with a masters sooner rather than later.
Because they wanted to....I don't understand why should it matter "what kind of masters" unless you are a NP. Are we (the collective we) saying now that the only good masters degree is a masters in nursing degree?
I don't think anyone would say it's the only "good" Master's -- but it is pretty much the only Master's that will benefit a nurse professionally. If the OP had an MSN instead of an MBA (without a BSN) right now, he wouldn't be in the position he's in now professionally. We all make choices, and we all have to live with the consequences of those choices.
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I don't think anyone would say it's the only "good" Master's -- but it is pretty much the only Master's that will benefit a nurse professionally. If the OP had an MSN instead of an MBA (without a BSN) right now, he wouldn't be in the position he's in now professionally. We all make choices, and we all have to live with the consequences of those choices.
I don' think it's true. I know of someone with a BSN and a MBA who is an executive in healthcare pulling in a healthy 6 figures++.
I don' think it's true. I know of someone with a BSN and a MBA who is an executive in healthcare pulling in a healthy 6 figures++.
Yes, but that person has a BSN along with the MBA. If the OP had a BSN along with the MBA that he has, he would not be in his current position, which is the point smartnurse1982 was making. And MBAs are the reason I described the MSN as "pretty much the only Master's" (that will benefit a nurse professionally) rather than "the only Master's ..." But the MBA doesn't help the OP much without a BSN to go with it, as he has seen (unless, as smartnurse noted, he wants to use the MBA to pursue a career outside of nursing).
And, if the OP had an MSN instead of an MBA, having or not having a BSN would be irrelevant.
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Kutney-Lee, A., Sloane, D. M., & Aiken, L. H. (2013). An increase in the number of nurses with baccalaureate degrees is linked to lower rates of postsurgery mortality. Health Affairs, 32(3), 579-586.
Controlled for experience.
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