I have been a RN since 1989, graduated with a ASN. Since that time I worked in ICU, Open heart surgery, PICU, Med/Surg and Behavioral Health. I have had the pleasure to have worked as a Nurse Executive only to be told after 25 years to get a BSN. I have a BS in Public Policy and Organizational Leadership and Master of Arts in Theology/Counseling. I asked my employee why after working 13 years a their Executive Nurse on Med/Surg/Peds that they thought I needed a BSN. No answer just demands or lose my job. I told them to stuff it! At 57 I was not going back to school for a BSN when it would only achieve increasing my debt ratio.
Since then I haven't been able to hire on anywhere but a Nursing Home. Let me tell you it is a blessing to work in geriatrics, yet the BSN's that work there are clueless, needing alot of training and retraining which I don't mind doing. It just saddens me that at the end of my career Nursing still has its quirks like they did in the 80's. Remember the period when medical assistants where hired to work in ICUs? That fiasco lasted less then a year.
God bless all of you who have had to face this new fiasco of BSN only apply. I am wondering who agrees with BSN only need to apply?
I'm surprised they were just content for you to get a BSN instead of an MSN, but I don't blame you for not wanting to take out student loans when you are so close to retirement. It sucks but there is nothing you can do about it because corporate makes the rules as they see fit and we are all just peons in the scheme of things and easily replaceable for someone younger and cheaper!
Where can I find this information, and if it's a more difficult pathway, why are they wanting the BSN as opposed to the major in nursing? I've been searching high and low and can't seem to find these answers anywhere....just questions about the two.
Will it ever be again...only time will tell. But if you are looking to be working in 10 years from now get the BSN....it will give you better security.
Sage advice but I'd take it further. If this trend continues better to get your Masters or face being in the same situation again in a very short time.
Oh, but wait, Guys! That's not the end of it! You now need to make sure that your degree is a BSN and not a BSn. Yep, that's right! Since BSN is the going thing these days and some of us did or are going back, the infamous 'they' have decided to complicate things even further. It seems that there is a difference between a Bachelor of Science in Nursing and a Bachelor of Science with a major in Nursing. Someone started a thread here on this a few weeks back and I decided to just lurk on that thread because I figured "really"? But then a couple of days ago, I got a call from a potential employer who wanted to clarify that I indeed had a BSN and not a BSn.
Whoever is attacking the nursing profession like this really should be removed from position. Are they doing the same thing to those with other Bachelor of Science degrees? With the three or four doorways into nursing, are they now trying to split one of those doorways as a means to force even those with a BSn to go back and take a few more courses? If it's money that 'they' seek, why not just cut to the chase and say, "unless your BSn cost $$$$$ dollars, we're not going to accept it as the BSN.
FWIW, mine is a BSN and if it's the other one that you seek, I'm happy to report that I'm not interested in working for you as I choose not to work for anyone who insists on continuing to divide this profession. What difference does it make! I took the same NCLEX a as every single RN in this country. Is the NCSBN being questioned as to why an ASN, BSn, and BSN are all delivered the exact same exam? I don't think so!
BTW, I still don't know what the difference is. Is one prelicensure and the other is not? I think I will google this...
Wow,very informative.
Do not forget about the BAN. (Bachelor of Art in Nursing)
Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Sage advice but I'd take it further. If this trend continues better to get your Masters or face being in the same situation again in a very short time.
Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Laurie52
Why is a new grad BSN always compared to an experienced RN without a BSN? Which is better, an experienced RN with a BSN or an experienced RN without a BSN.
Almost every other discipline I health care required
Why? Because seasoned RN ASN/ADN nurse are being tossed out with the garbage.
An experienced RN IS better than a new grad BSN.
Why do we argue it because the ASN/ADN experienced nurse who has put blood and sweat into the profession are being told they are suddenly no longer qualified.
MOST if not all ASN/ADN nurses with experience believe that entry should be changed to BSN entry what they don't agree with is being marginalized and demeaned after years of dedicated service.
The way it is going be prepared to have to have your DNP for bedside nursing in 20 years.
I figured out the BSN deal 45 years ago when I saw it written up in some nursing textbook, so I really fail to see how it has taken this long for people in the field to get their feathers in a ruff. There is absolutely nothing new about this concept. The only thing "new" is that employers, in an employers reality, are now using this as an excuse to change their HR practices. They could just as well have done it 45 years ago, or five years from now.
What i do not understand is how some experienced nurses complain about obtaining the Bsn but then I see they pursued other degrees unrelated to nursing.
I wonder if they did not plan staying in nursing,but the economy pushed them to keep working as nurses.
Why? Because seasoned RN ASN/ADN nurse are being tossed out with the garbage.
An experienced RN IS better than a new grad BSN.
Why do we argue it because the ASN/ADN experienced nurse who has put blood ans sweat is being told they are suddenly no longer qualified.
MOST if not all ASN/ADN nurses with experience believe that entry should be changed to BSN entry what they don't agree with is being marginalized and demeaned after years of dedicated service.
With all respect, I think you are missing my point. It is not fair to compare an experienced nurse with a new grad. My question is, since we are comparing apples and oranges, which is better an experienced BSN or a new grad ADN?
Where can I find this information, and if it's a more difficult pathway, why are they wanting the BSN as opposed to the major in nursing? I've been searching high and low and can't seem to find these answers anywhere....just questions about the two.
There is absolutely no difference between the Bachelor of Science in nursing, Bachelor of Science with a major in nursing, and the Bachelor of Arts in nursing. They are all baccalaureate degrees. If you have found an employer that specifically specifies the Bachelor of Science in Nursing, please post a link to their employment page.
When collecting information about educational level of RNs, where do I count someone who has a bachelor of arts in nursing?
The category will read baccalaureate in nursing. If the RN holds a bachelor of science in nursing or a bachelor of arts in nursing, it should be counted in the baccalaureate category.
Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
With all respect, I think you are missing my point. It is not fair to compare an experienced nurse with a new grad. My question is, since we are comparing apples and oranges, which is better an experienced BSN or a new grad ADN?
I did misunderstand. However...When you bring experience into the equation the one with experience will always win. To your statement
Which is better, an experienced RN with a BSN or an experienced RN without a BSN.
It depends on the experience and where that experience is?
For example you have an ICU nurse/Cardic surgery/transplant with a ASN/ADN and 30 years experience and a BSN in the same unit with 10 years experience...the BSN does not make that nurse automatically the better nurse. IMHO seniority wins.
Lets say they have equal experience...how is the BSN nurse superior?
Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
What i do not understand is how some experienced nurses complain about obtaining the Bsn but then I see they pursued other degrees unrelated to nursing.
I wonder if they did not plan staying in nursing,but the economy pushed them to keep working as nurses.
Many nurses went into nursing with pre-existing degrees then decided to pursue nursing. Other nurses wanted to explore what interested them. It's called personal preference.
It might be a BSN now...the future will be a masters for $40,000.00+ to keep your bedside job.
Degree inflation at it's best.
OP ((HUGS)) Welcome to the club....
Do you really think so? I mean, I know you do from your previous postings, but . . . Let's consider that it has taken over 40 years to implement a de facto ( though unofficial) BSN as entry level. I'm thinking it would take another 40 years at least, and no nursing body has endorsed MSN as entry level.
Here's my 2 cents; if we had acted (as a united force, silly, unrealistic, I know), and raised entry to practice, grandfathering all RNs at the time; we wouldn't have empowered employers to make these draconian moves that hurt individual experienced nurses. So we handed this power to them (employers) to use when and how they see fit.
brandy1017, ASN, RN
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I'm surprised they were just content for you to get a BSN instead of an MSN, but I don't blame you for not wanting to take out student loans when you are so close to retirement. It sucks but there is nothing you can do about it because corporate makes the rules as they see fit and we are all just peons in the scheme of things and easily replaceable for someone younger and cheaper!