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Hospitals are getting away with "murder" in this economy. O.k. so I am so beyond flustered and I am hoping for some feedback or any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am a new graduate (May 2008)..I waited to look for a job, since I was pregnant my last semester in nursing school... now it's impossible to get a job.. I have been applying for jobs since January. The only interview (1 repeat I have had 1 interview and applied for more jobs than I can count) was from my nursing school where I did my clinical and I came across (1.) I have also come across (2.) and (3). too many times in the five months I have been applying for jobs.

(1.) Illegal questions during interview

(2.) Stating jobs that they will only hire internal candiates causing a great waste of time for external candiates: applications can take many hours

(3.) Treating job applicants like dirt... not returning phone calls and be down right rude!

Please share your experiences and give me some advice, please!!

Here are some of illegal questions I was asked during my interview, which made me feel very uncomfortable and of course caused me to interview poorly!

What are ages of your children, what does your husband do for a living, where does he work, where do you live, do you have family support? By the way... I called the HR department and told them what happen and they said that they would try and get me another interview in other department and they have told me no openings...I have been calling every month and keep telling me to call back! This is the hospital where I would be considered an internal candidate!

Well you could consult with an employment attorney concerning the illegal interview questions, but don't really see how you would be helping yourself. You need to get a job and don't really want to develop a career killing reputation before you get your first job. You may need to consider moving to an area with available work.

ChristineN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Pediatric/Adolescent, Med-Surg.

Hospitals are getting away with "murder" in this economy. O.k. so I am so beyond flustered and I am hoping for some feedback or any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am a new graduate (May 2008)..I waited to look for a job, since I was pregnant my last semester in nursing school... now it's impossible to get a job.. I have been applying for jobs since January. The only interview (1 repeat I have had 1 interview and applied for more jobs than I can count) was from my nursing school where I did my clinical and I came across (1.) I have also come across (2.) and (3). too many times in the five months I have been applying for jobs.

(1.) Illegal questions during interview

(2.) Stating jobs that they will only hire internal candiates causing a great waste of time for external candiates: applications can take many hours

(3.) Treating job applicants like dirt... not returning phone calls and be down right rude!

Please share your experiences and give me some advice, please!!

Here are some of illegal questions I was asked during my interview, which made me feel very uncomfortable and of course caused me to interview poorly!

What are ages of your children, what does your husband do for a living, where does he work, where do you live, do you have family support? By the way... I called the HR department and told them what happen and they said that they would try and get me another interview in other department and they have told me no openings...I have been calling every month and keep telling me to call back! This is the hospital where I would be considered an internal candidate!

Being asked those sort of questions is terrible! HR only suggest applying elsewhere the the company, they didn't say if any disiplinary action would be taken against the interviewer?

Christine,

Nope..the HR person was interested in what the manager asked me, but didn't seem to care after I informed her!

FireStarterRN, BSN, RN

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele. Has 15 years experience.

Those questions do sound illegal. Very frustrating, I'm sure. Not sure what you can do about this.

Junebugfairy

Specializes in Gyn/STD clinic tech.

if you have very little experience, have you applied for new grad positions?

FairyCari,

Yes..many new graduates positions..(2.) and (3.) from above

I have had such a difficult time as well...I posted a thread today about a very similar situation...

I was forced to show up to take a typing test for a job and I can guarantee my application was probably thrown immediately in the trash!!

Why you ask?? I think it might have something to do with the fact that I have a big ole' 7 month pregnant belly!!

Its sad I have been immediately denied positions washing dishes, preparing food, housekeeping, laundry, EMT, CNA, and numerous other clerical positions.

I was informed by HR they were hiring internally. As soon as I apply for a position within hours it says I have no completed applications, and I am not applying for a specific position.

I have recieved rude remarks when calling to ask if any new information was available.

I have over 3 years experience, I have done numerous surgical procedures..Assisted with a Swan-Gann catherization.

I have done rotations in an ICU.

I have removed cyst and abscesses and sutured them up.

I have been an EMT and I have been a CNA.

I can't get a hospital to hire me... I have excellent references???

The job descriptions ask for 40 WPM and medical terminology knowledge.

Come on folks I exceed all of those requirements!!!!

twinner2

Specializes in Medical/Surgical. Has 2 years experience.

In this economy, unless there is a desperate need, it would be very difficult to get a position while pregnant. They probably do not want to hire someone that is pregnant, train them, and then have them go on maternity leave.

Speaking from personal experience, when I was a retail supervisor, I hired several pregnant women. I always got burned from it. They either went light duty or used the health benefits for the delivery then quit. It is unfortunate that you will suffer from other people's actions, but hiring a pregnant person can definitely be risky business, and has virtually no positive gain from a company's perspective.

Best of luck to you in your search!

I have had such a difficult time as well...

I have over 3 years experience, I have done numerous surgical procedures..Assisted with a Swan-Gann catherization.

I have done rotations in an ICU.

I have removed cyst and abscesses and sutured them up.

I have been an EMT and I have been a CNA.

I can't get a hospital to hire me... I have excellent references???

The job descriptions ask for 40 WPM and medical terminology knowledge.

Come on folks I exceed all of those requirements!!!!

Im sorry but on what planet and in what scope of practice is an RN EVER allowd to remove a cyst an suture them up??? I sincerely hope you are grossly exaggerating.

As for your clerical experience, I type 50 wpm but seriously doubt that a typing test is even a factor in

the screening process. Med. terminology should not be an issue, as the ap 1/2/micro/chem pre-

req's should more than suffice.

I have have been asked some of the same type questions such as marriage, children and ages during some interviews, I felt offended. I also thought being a single mother with older children to support would actualy be a positive thing - "like I realy need the money impression and have responsibilities" - not. I discovered often it is who you know and not what you know. The interviewer already knows who they are going to hire before your interview was scheduled and they are just fallowing company policy to interview X number of people prior to selection. :angryfire:angryfire The only jobs that I have had - these questions were not asked. Good Luck with your search!

Please forgive me for not being up on the latest thing with law and hiring practices. I do know things change all the time, the definition and the criteria and state vs federal law. Burden of proof is the most difficult is cases such as this. -------- My time, gas and hope- plus having being taken for? Well - to each their own I know I don't like getting burned. Bad questions are Red Flag and need to be dealt with wisely. Best wishes.

eriksoln, BSN, RN

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary. Has 15 years experience.

Hospitals are getting away with "murder" in this economy. O.k. so I am so beyond flustered and I am hoping for some feedback or any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am a new graduate (May 2008)..I waited to look for a job, since I was pregnant my last semester in nursing school... now it's impossible to get a job.. I have been applying for jobs since January. The only interview (1 repeat I have had 1 interview and applied for more jobs than I can count) was from my nursing school where I did my clinical and I came across (1.) I have also come across (2.) and (3). too many times in the five months I have been applying for jobs.

(1.) Illegal questions during interview

(2.) Stating jobs that they will only hire internal candiates causing a great waste of time for external candiates: applications can take many hours

(3.) Treating job applicants like dirt... not returning phone calls and be down right rude!

Please share your experiences and give me some advice, please!!

Here are some of illegal questions I was asked during my interview, which made me feel very uncomfortable and of course caused me to interview poorly!

What are ages of your children, what does your husband do for a living, where does he work, where do you live, do you have family support? By the way... I called the HR department and told them what happen and they said that they would try and get me another interview in other department and they have told me no openings...I have been calling every month and keep telling me to call back! This is the hospital where I would be considered an internal candidate!

Actually, #2 and 3 are not illegal. Not only that, in a bad job market, they are the norm. #2 especially is not illegal. A lot of hospitals allow internal applicants first choice. Its a way of retaining people. Their attitude is, let the internal candidate go to Unit A, the one they prefer........and fill in the vacancy left on unit B with outside candidates. Its a very effective way to reward seniority.

#3, well, lol, in other careers, thats been the norm for the past 10 years. There are entire books on when to call and follow up on interviews, how often and when to call HR people. Its a science within itself. Having phone calls ignored by HR people is the norm. If you are not the flavor of the day, you will have to wait. They are in no rush to fill the positions.

And today, a lot of HR people are.........IDK, sort of thumbing their nose at RNs while they interview job candidates. For so long we had the upper hand and they felt.......put out......by having to compete for us. Now that they dont have to compete for us, there is some "tic for tak" going on.

I recently left the travel nursing field. I had close to six different job interviews in my home state lined up before I even got here. One hospital was motivated to hire me (actually, the one I ended up at) and offered me the job on the spot. They allowed me one week to decide though, so I finished out my interviews. Another hospital told me they wanted to hire me but had to complete their interview process with all candidates first. They said they wanted me to come to the hospital in 3 weeks for a follow up (and went out of their way to imply not to call, show up in person). I told them I wasnt willing to wait 3 weeks, needed an answer by (fill in the blank with the date the first hospital gave me to decide by) and planed on being employeed within the week.

Whoa. First there was panic on their end. They scrambled to try to decide if they could "just hire me". Called me the next day and left this pompus messge that "We cant rush through our interview process for one candidate, but the manager has stated you are her first choice at this juncture. Could you possibly take a vacation and tell the other hospital you need more time?". Five minutes after that phone call, I was on the phone with the one who had actually offered a job and accepted. Then, two weeks later..........the hospital that wanted me to wait called and said they were offering the job. They left a message for me to call and set up a time to come in. I was busy with orientation and stuff so I didnt get back to them to tell them I was already working.

Two days later, another message. "We have decided to hire more critical care nurses instead of M/S. So the position you were hired for is being terminated. We can fill a M/S position anytime with anyone, so we want to concentrate on higher quality nurses right now."

Yep, thats word for word what message they left me. I saved it and listened to it with a few friends cause I knew they wouldnt believe me.

Now, this is my question. Do you believe for a second, when they offered me a job and told me to come in, they didnt know they were going to hire someone else? Yeah, they knew. And, they were so embarassed I picked someone else over them, they tried to sabotage things for me. Definately an attempt to thumb their noses at me.

Now, if that isnt dirty tactics, I dont know what is. Thing is, take it in stride, remember the facility for when things get better for us, and dont go to them when hospitals are once again begging for help.

RNperdiem, RN

Has 14 years experience.

The title of the thread made me wonder if waterboarding was involved.

New Grad,

I am also a new grad. I posted my frustration on https://allnurses.com/georgia-nurses/atlanta-area-nurses-390038.html. I graduated in Dec. 2008. I had applied to every hospital within an hour away. I was frustrated, disillusioned and broke. Then I decided to be more assertive. I called two of the hospitals I had applied online with and spoke with the HR/nurse recrutier. The first one talked with me for about 10 minutes. I explained my frustration to her and she was very nice. She then asked me which area I was most interested in since I had applied for every residency position listed. I had about 8 positions pending with my application. I told her ICU was my preferrence and she said, "I will print out your application and resume and make sure you get one of the interviews for the ICU residencies." I was very excited. So I called another hospital I had applied to asked them if they would please print my application and resume out and send it to the floor managers. She was just as nice and said she would send it that day. Apparently she did, because the next week a floor manager from hospital #2 called and offered me an interview. I went and got the job. So, my advice to all my fellow new grads; be more assertive, attempt to stand out from the hundreds of other new grad applicants. Call HR and follow up with your applications. It will pay off, I am living proof.

I know how you are feeling. I was very disappointed too, but keep at it...something will happen. Good luck.

classicdame, MSN, EdD

Specializes in Hospital Education Coordinator.

part of it you can blame on the economy - we are not replacing many people who leave. Hope things change for you soon.

Jolie, BSN

Specializes in Maternal - Child Health. Has 35 years experience.

Handling poor interview questions is difficult for any candidate, especially a new grad who is inexperienced in interviewing, easily intimidated or desperately in need of a job.

It is inappropriate for an interviewer to ask about a candidate's marital status or children. If an interviewer asks such a question, the appropriate response is something like this, "I would like to discuss my education, experience and professional qualifications for this position. It would be inappropriate to discuss my personal life in this setting." This is a difficult answer to give. Practice it.

Interviewers take this route for a few reasons. Some are hoping to get you to discuss your personal life so that they can "evaluate" your flexibility and the likelihood that you will call out for family reasons. Others are trying to push you and see if you react appropriately by calmly asserting yourself and refusing to answer inappropriate questions. I don't think much of interviewers who do either of these things, and think they are unethical, but I know it is done.

Finally, keep in mind that if you even casually mention your spouse and/or children, you have made them fair game. It is difficult for many of us NOT to mention that we prefer a certain shift due to childcare or your spouse's employment, or that we became interested in OB when we had our own children, but if you make a reference to your family, you have made them fair game for the interviewer's questions.

For example, if you graduated last year, and took time off to have a baby, don't say so. If you have a gap in employment or schooling due to childbearing, simply state that you had personal maters that demanded your attention during that time, but they are now resolved so you can devote your full attention to your new job.

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