Black Lives Matter Protests and Medical Care

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Hi!

Since every living person in the world knows about the protests against police brutality I don't think I need to go into any great detail about it. The point is here is not debate over that. What I'm curious about is the implications of providing medical care at a rally of march NOT associated with any institution or employer?

I am a licensed RN, I work at a local hospital. I went down to the first unorganized protest with some basic first aid supplies because I wanted to help if able. I was then put in contact with a small volunteer medic group here. My city had a large rally over the weekend(2,000+ people) and I joined this volunteer group to assist. So basically, it was me(9 year RN), 3 former EMT's, 2-3 people with CPR/first aid(not in the medical field), and 1-2 with no medical training or experience staffing a 2,000+ person event. Because protests are considered "unsafe"(even this one that was permitted) local emergency services/ambulances will not staff or have anyone on site. In fact, the two blocks surrounding the permitted protest site were barricaded off with cement barricades. I had to carry a young girl who fainted from heat exhaustion two blocks just to get her to where EMS said they could meet us.

Anyways, I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation? I have a decent amount of in-hospital experience(2 year med/surg, 5 year ICU, 2 year hem/onc), but I've never worked outside of a hospital. My concerns are more on the legal standpoint, and ya know, not losing my job. There is always the risk of being arrested at any protest, and I don't know what effect that would have with my employer. It's a lot to unpack but any advice or personal experience in the area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Thank you for what you're doing!

Having said that, I personally wouldn't do it because you have everything to lose and nothing to protect you. If you were protesting and something happened and you helped, you may be protected by Good Samaritan laws. However, planning to be an off the books medic is another issue. Good Samaritan may not apply because it's planned. As others have said, check the laws in your state.

8 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

Thank you for what you're doing!

Having said that, I personally wouldn't do it because you have everything to lose and nothing to protect you. If you were protesting and something happened and you helped, you may be protected by Good Samaritan laws. However, planning to be an off the books medic is another issue. Good Samaritan may not apply because it's planned. As others have said, check the laws in your state.

Thanks for the input. I have been looking into NYS good samaritan laws. The answer is of course, ambiguous. I am not identifying myself as an EMT/Medic, or even a nurse. I don't think that having medical supplies on hand implies a duty to act, but that doesn't stop anyone from trying to sue.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2015/pbh/article-30/3000-a

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

My guess is that current protest medics are in greater danger of being harmed by police than sued by protesters in too large of a number of communities.

Specializes in Med Surg, Tele, PH, CM.
On 6/8/2020 at 5:56 PM, Daisy4RN said:

I dont think that the Good Samaritan law would apply to you in this situation because you have purposefully put yourself there to provide medical care (I am not a lawyer though so not sure).

Laws vary State by State, but in most of the States I have lived and practiced in you would not be covered. This would not be considered a spontaneous, emergent situation, but a planned, deliberate act on your part. I'm not saying you are wrong to do this, but you may be putting your license on the line. Good Samaritan Laws are written with lay people delivering emergent care. Licensed persons would be held to a higher standard in most jurisdictions. Don't know if your employer would be too happy either.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

Wouldn't it be nice if nurses shared some of the immunity that police enjoy for line of duty stuff?

14 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Wouldn't it be nice if nurses shared some of the immunity that police enjoy for line of duty stuff?

Yeah, that thought has crossed my mind. It's insane to me that even if LEO's are sued the government pays the bill(ie: taxpayers). Really holding them accountable for their actions...

I volunteer for Special Olympics providing medical coverage at some of their events. I am there at the request of my medical directors and if an accident happens. I fill out the appropriate form to be turned in of the incident. I would be afraid of being sued or if something happened tragically, could you prove your were not involved. So many of the protest we are seeing become riots with assaults, arson and a few murders. I would definitely check with an attorney.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.

It might be a good idea to check with your professional liability carrier. Maybe they have some sort of a rider you can purchase for just such occasions.

Specializes in oncology, MS/tele/stepdown.
6 hours ago, TriciaJ said:

It might be a good idea to check with your professional liability carrier. Maybe they have some sort of a rider you can purchase for just such occasions.

This was what I was going to suggest. Thanks for doing what you're doing!

My perspective on the legal standpoint-

Not an expert, though I did research this a bunch when I used to teach the liability portion of wilderness first aid courses I taught.

I think the risk is hard to quantify, and small.

For starters, in order for this to come back on you, you will have to cause some harm.

There is always fear of an unreasonable and vindictive BON going after your license. It is a common concern with nurses. Can't even thing about how often the subject of "protecting my license" comes up. I think for most nurses, spending some time browsing BON suspensions wold allay some of that concern.

But- Obviously there is some risk. The risk of being bit by a shark is pretty small, and drops to zero if you keep out of the ocean. Same concept here.

I suspect that many of the folk here advising caution partake in activities that pose a far greater risk to their well being than volunteering to do first aid at a protest.

Good luck. And do some research on protecting yourself from chemical agents.

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