baby friendly questions

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The hospital that I work at is in the process of becoming baby friendly, and I have some questions about how the baby friendly initiative is implemented in other hospitals.

I want to start by saying that I think that breastfeeding is a wonderful, healthy, mutually beneficial thing, but I wonder if the experience where I work is typical. If a patient says she intends to bottle feed, or a breastfeeding mother requests a bottle, we are supposed to try to persuade her to breastfeed. We've been given a script to follow that basically seems guilt inducing to me. We are supposed to use this script on everyone from a exclusively breastfeeding first time mother to a patient who has had her sixth baby and has supplemented every single child. I've had patient's tell me that they have asked for bottles and the previous nurse acted as though she didn't hear the question and some mothers actually crying and begging for bottles. I feel that my job is to help my patients do whatever it is that they want, not to guilt people into breastfeeding. I will go over the benefits of breastfeeding, how babies need to nurse frequently, how frequent nursing will encourage milk supply, I will tell my patients who want to supplement during the first 24 hours that it is not necessary, I will talk about baby's nutritional needs and stomach capacity . . . I will give my patients all the information I can, but I try to do it in an informative way. And this isn't good enough. If a patient is still requesting bottles, I don't feel that I should tell them no, but the next day our lactation consults are telling me (and other staff, too) that we should try harder and that we must be pushing formula. I will help my patients do whatever they want to do, but I refuse to tell them that formula is basically poison, which seems to be what the hospital wants.

I work at night and the other issue is the night time nursery. We are being asked to make our patients sign a waiver before their babies will be allowed in the nursery. The waiver lists an entire page of reasons why baby should room in and at the bottom it says something like "I would like my baby to be separated from me despite all of the benefits of rooming in. I give permission for my baby to go the nursery despite the fact that we will not receive the mutal benefits of rooming in." This form should only be given to parents once they've asked for their child to go to the nursery. I feel awful taking this waiver in to a sleep deprived woman with hormones surging through her body who has finally decided that it's okay to let us watch her baby between breastfeedings. There has to be a better way.

We have also been told that we will not be able to give out pacifiers even if parents ask for them in the near future. Pacifiers are only to be used for comfort during circumcisions and then thrown away.

For many people, they already feel guilty asking for a bottle or for the baby to go to the nursery. I don't really know what to say to parents who are literally so exhausted that they can't keep their eyes open or patients who have had the baby to breast so much that their nipples are so tender that they are crying. Since we've started going through the baby friendly process, we've had more babies dropped during the night, babies in bed with mothers--I found one baby half hanging off the bed next to it's mother's knees, and one completely covered with the blankets over its face next to its snoring mother. These situations are not typical, but we have been noticing that they are happening more and more frequently.

I don't think that formula and mandatory night nursery are the answer either, I feel that my patients are adults who should have the ability to make informed decisions. I would like to know what other nurses experiences with baby friendly are. I feel like the my hospital is taking it a bit far and that breastfeeding has become more important than anything else, it's almost become as if lactation services have more power (for lack of a better word) than anyone else, and the relationship between the LC's and the nurses has become so adversarial, to the point where they are telling our management that we are collecting the babies every night and taking them to the nursery to feed them bottles. Actually, it's easier for me if the baby is in the mother's room and she and dad are caring for the baby and feeding him or her and changing the diapers . . . the nursery isn't for my convenience, and most of my coworkers have this same opinion.

Anyway, I'm sorry this is so long, and I thank anyone who reads all my rambling and gives me some opinions and advice.

~Rhee

it's sad to hear that intimidation and guilt are being used under guise of "baby friendly". This is no better than in the 70s when my mother was given no choice to BF- her breasts were bound with Ace bandages...babies were taken away directly to the nursery.....they also didn't ask for consent to circumcise my brother. Times have changed & they haven't.

Before becoming a nurse, I was a doula. I've worked with many women and some really wanted to BF but even with support and time, it just didn't work. They already feel like a failure, the last thing they need is more guilt!

I have two kiddos and BF both, actually the 2nd til he was 3 yo!! AND my first baby kept her "wooby" aka pacifier until she was 4- & now has naturally beautiful teeth without braces. I support each mom's choice on feeding, pacifiers, sleeping, diapering. You do what works for your baby and family.

Education NOT intimidation should be the approach here. We want people to make an informed decision, but it's their decision.

I also agree with many posts about extended families. Geez, moms and babies used to stay in the hospital for a week for a vag delivery! Then they came home to a MIL!

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
That's inaccurate and unfair.

It's my experience. I mean no offense but it is what I feel and what my personal journey and experience has been. Anytime a mother is asked to sign a waiver to have her child go to the nursery to get some rest she chastized and told she's a bad aprent and won't be able to bond with ther child to me IS extreme and is using intimidating tactics to bully/guilt/shame someone into compliance.

"We are being asked to make our patients sign a waiver before their babies will be allowed in the nursery. The waiver lists an entire page of reasons why baby should room in and at the bottom it says something like "I would like my baby to be separated from me despite all of the benefits of rooming in. I give permission for my baby to go the nursery despite the fact that we will not receive the mutal benefits of rooming in."

It's accurate to my personal experence and just my opinion. I mean no offense to you personally but I think it's unfar to call my experience inaccurate. This is obviously a hot button subject matter and I am not an OB/LD nurse......It is just my personal experience and my own personal feelings towards the extreme concepts by the OP's hospital and that a baby shouldn't have a pacifier. I respect your thoughts and opinions...Peace:)

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

It's inaccurate to say that La Leche League wants you to breastfeed until your child is 14. It's nothing but inflammatory hyperbole. As someone who was a LLL Leader for 10 years and wouldn't currently be an OB nurse and IBCLC if it weren't for LLL, I find such intentionally inflammatory and inaccurate statements to be hurtful.

It's inaccurate to say that La Leche League wants you to breastfeed until your child is 14. It's nothing but inflammatory hyperbole. As someone who was a LLL Leader for 10 years and wouldn't currently be an OB nurse and IBCLC if it weren't for LLL, I find such intentionally inflammatory and inaccurate statements to be hurtful.

It may not be your experience with LLL but she did say earlier that was her experience dealing with them. Not every LLL is the same.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
It may not be your experience with LLL but she did say earlier that was her experience dealing with them. Not every LLL is the same.

Thanks......:hug: it's hard getting slammed and told your personal experience are inaccurate......Oh well.....I'm going to go and finish an article I was reading on lateral violence in nursing.:smokin: Peace

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.

I think the issue here is that we're using a few bad apples to make sweeping [negative] generalizations about organizations and initiatives such as LLL & BFHI. And that I think is what klone meant by inaccurate and unfair.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I think the issue here is that we're using a few bad apples to make sweeping [negative] generalizations about organizations and initiatives such as LLL & BFHI. And that I think is what klone meant by inaccurate and unfair.

That is exactly my point. It is not the belief or "policy" of LLL that you must breastfeed your child until 14. To state that represents LLL is unfair and inaccurate, just as stating that the scenario in the OP represents BFHI policy is wildly inaccurate.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
It may not be your experience with LLL but she did say earlier that was her experience dealing with them. Not every LLL is the same.

LLL is ONE organization that has certain guiding principles that are meant to apply to ALL groups. She may have had one whackadoo leader or member that took things to extremes (although I am still skeptical that anyone told her that she must breastfeed her child until 14 and I suspect she was indeed being hyperbolic, but whatever, I wasn't there) but that person is not accurately representing LLL and it IS inaccurate to say that this is LLL belief or philosophy.

Again, just like what's described in the OP is not BFHI policy or philosophy.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I know thiis splitting hairs but I never said LLL in general, I specifically said

We all have our personal journey's and one journey isn't more right than another journey. I was just my opinion, my experience, my thoughts and I'm sorry if the offended you.....:rolleyes:

Specializes in postpartum.

I'm glad to hear that this isn't the typical baby friendly experience. I think breastfeeding is wonderful and there are so many benefits to skin to skin vs. the warmer and rooming in. It seems as though my hospital has taken baby friendly to the extreme, and has interpreted it incorrectly.

I just don't think it's my job to make my patients feel guilty. There's enough in life to feel guilty about without creating more, and there's more to having a child than how you feed him or her. We've just started with this waiver, and I kind of wonder what the fallout will be.

Rhee, would you mind coming back and letting us know how things go? I'm curious if anyone will have a huge issue with signing such a waiver or if there are positive effects all around. Thank you for bringing this up, its obviously a polarizing topic.

Specializes in OB.

It just seems like this waiver policy will do what it has done in this thread---turn people off of the idea of Baby Friendly, when part of the point of BF is to make hospitals more marketable and attract patients. The administrator who came up with this idea will likely find it backfiring, and have patient complaints, IMHO.

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