baby friendly questions

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The hospital that I work at is in the process of becoming baby friendly, and I have some questions about how the baby friendly initiative is implemented in other hospitals.

I want to start by saying that I think that breastfeeding is a wonderful, healthy, mutually beneficial thing, but I wonder if the experience where I work is typical. If a patient says she intends to bottle feed, or a breastfeeding mother requests a bottle, we are supposed to try to persuade her to breastfeed. We've been given a script to follow that basically seems guilt inducing to me. We are supposed to use this script on everyone from a exclusively breastfeeding first time mother to a patient who has had her sixth baby and has supplemented every single child. I've had patient's tell me that they have asked for bottles and the previous nurse acted as though she didn't hear the question and some mothers actually crying and begging for bottles. I feel that my job is to help my patients do whatever it is that they want, not to guilt people into breastfeeding. I will go over the benefits of breastfeeding, how babies need to nurse frequently, how frequent nursing will encourage milk supply, I will tell my patients who want to supplement during the first 24 hours that it is not necessary, I will talk about baby's nutritional needs and stomach capacity . . . I will give my patients all the information I can, but I try to do it in an informative way. And this isn't good enough. If a patient is still requesting bottles, I don't feel that I should tell them no, but the next day our lactation consults are telling me (and other staff, too) that we should try harder and that we must be pushing formula. I will help my patients do whatever they want to do, but I refuse to tell them that formula is basically poison, which seems to be what the hospital wants.

I work at night and the other issue is the night time nursery. We are being asked to make our patients sign a waiver before their babies will be allowed in the nursery. The waiver lists an entire page of reasons why baby should room in and at the bottom it says something like "I would like my baby to be separated from me despite all of the benefits of rooming in. I give permission for my baby to go the nursery despite the fact that we will not receive the mutal benefits of rooming in." This form should only be given to parents once they've asked for their child to go to the nursery. I feel awful taking this waiver in to a sleep deprived woman with hormones surging through her body who has finally decided that it's okay to let us watch her baby between breastfeedings. There has to be a better way.

We have also been told that we will not be able to give out pacifiers even if parents ask for them in the near future. Pacifiers are only to be used for comfort during circumcisions and then thrown away.

For many people, they already feel guilty asking for a bottle or for the baby to go to the nursery. I don't really know what to say to parents who are literally so exhausted that they can't keep their eyes open or patients who have had the baby to breast so much that their nipples are so tender that they are crying. Since we've started going through the baby friendly process, we've had more babies dropped during the night, babies in bed with mothers--I found one baby half hanging off the bed next to it's mother's knees, and one completely covered with the blankets over its face next to its snoring mother. These situations are not typical, but we have been noticing that they are happening more and more frequently.

I don't think that formula and mandatory night nursery are the answer either, I feel that my patients are adults who should have the ability to make informed decisions. I would like to know what other nurses experiences with baby friendly are. I feel like the my hospital is taking it a bit far and that breastfeeding has become more important than anything else, it's almost become as if lactation services have more power (for lack of a better word) than anyone else, and the relationship between the LC's and the nurses has become so adversarial, to the point where they are telling our management that we are collecting the babies every night and taking them to the nursery to feed them bottles. Actually, it's easier for me if the baby is in the mother's room and she and dad are caring for the baby and feeding him or her and changing the diapers . . . the nursery isn't for my convenience, and most of my coworkers have this same opinion.

Anyway, I'm sorry this is so long, and I thank anyone who reads all my rambling and gives me some opinions and advice.

~Rhee

Specializes in L&D.

Our hospital is aiming for baby-friendly as well, and on the whole (on the L&D side), it seems to be having great benefits... especially with the immediate skin-to-skin. I'm seeing mothers that perhaps might not otherwise jump into it really bonding with their babies and it's been great. Of course I don't know what happens really when we get them over to postpartum. We have had some difficulty coordinating roles between departments. I think the "baby-dropping" and squishing is r/t to narcotic pain relief and not so much maternal exhaustion (although moms can surely be exhausted!), and parents need to be supported gently in caring for their babies, and also that babies should NOT be in the bed with mamas when they are taking narcotics! It would be ideal if there was a family member or other support person in the room with mama and baby caring for the couplet.

Specializes in L&D.

*NOT be in the bed with mamas when they are taking narcotics!

should be amended to "not be in bed with SLEEPING mamas while they are taking narcotics!

Our hospital is aiming for baby-friendly as well, and on the whole (on the L&D side), it seems to be having great benefits... especially with the immediate skin-to-skin. I'm seeing mothers that perhaps might not otherwise jump into it really bonding with their babies and it's been great. Of course I don't know what happens really when we get them over to postpartum. We have had some difficulty coordinating roles between departments. I think the "baby-dropping" and squishing is r/t to narcotic pain relief and not so much maternal exhaustion (although moms can surely be exhausted!), and parents need to be supported gently in caring for their babies, and also that babies should NOT be in the bed with mamas when they are taking narcotics! It would be ideal if there was a family member or other support person in the room with mama and baby caring for the couplet.

While that is the ideal, it may not be feasible for families with other children who don't have close friends or relatives able to help them out. If there is no one to take those kids, dad goes home with them and mom is on her own with the new baby. And, too, there are far too many women (some just girls really) who either do not have a committed partner or whose partner won't be staying overnight with them.

As for the baby-dropping and baby-squishing, a mom doesn't need narcs to arrive at a state where she no longer remembers her own name. Some of these moms labored for two+ days before delivering. And there are plenty of them who haven't slept comfortably for several weeks before the birth. Add to that the rush of visitors that insist they must see the baby right away before it goes home, and you can end up with a woman who feels drugged even if she isn't.

I just can't see telling any mom she has to keep the baby in her room. That smacks of the same harshness and disrespect that occurred years ago when moms were told they had to leave the babies in the nursery. Neither extreme is right for everyone. And neither edict should be coming from the nurses on the unit.

It makes me really sad to hear about hospitals deliberately eliminating nurseries so that moms will have to have their babies room in. That just doesn't take care of everyone effectively. And it's a dirty trick to play on women who didn't think to ask ahead of time if they'll be able to catch a couple of hours of uninterrupted sleep before they go home.

It's a terrible thing to do to nurses, too. I've heard many of them say they'd be more than willing to give the mom a break except that they have no place to put the baby and no one to watch it.

Do we really have to handle things this way? Or can we be halfway reasonable, provide the proper resources, and trust moms to do what is right for themselves and their babies?

Specializes in L&D.

Yes, that is what I am saying. We certainly have not eliminated our nursery in the process and I don't think we are pressuring anyone into anything they don't want. We do gently give families the support and encouragement they need to continue bf. And having another family member is ideal. I care for a primarily Hispanic population, so most often another support person is there and NOT the FOB. Having cared for many women outside the hospital s narc pain relief (and lots of primips after long labors) I have never seen anyone so exhausted after birth that I was concerned about baby squishing. And if I was, I would certainly intervene! Really, I think the hospital is not the place for recovery and the state of postpartum care (first six weeks total, not hosp stay) in this country is abyssmal. Nut that is a whole 'nother post!

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.

Its not like a nursery doesn't exist in our facility. We have a special care nursery. Its not a nursery where babes get sent out and get all lined up in a row in front of a big window for visitors to "ooh" and "ahh" over. Honestly, that is the romanticized image that many patients and visitors still have these days with regard to nurseries. What our nursery is used for is for infant procedures (circ's, hearing screens, car seat challenge, daily weights, shots etc), feeders and growers, withdrawing babes, bili light treatments and so on, so forth. Other than that, they stay in the room. If a mom insists on sending them out, sure they can go in to the nursery or hang out at the nurses station, but as soon as they wake, they're brought back into the room so mom can feed them/change them/tend to them. As far as infant assessments and first baths...thats all done in the room.

Its not like a nursery doesn't exist in our facility. We have a special care nursery. Its not a nursery where babes get sent out and get all lined up in a row in front of a big window for visitors to "ooh" and "ahh" over. Honestly, that is the romanticized image that many patients and visitors still have these days with regard to nurseries. What our nursery is used for is for infant procedures (circ's, hearing screens, car seat challenge, daily weights, shots etc), feeders and growers, withdrawing babes, bili light treatments and so on, so forth. Other than that, they stay in the room. If a mom insists on sending them out, sure they can go in to the nursery or hang out at the nurses station, but as soon as they wake, they're brought back into the room so mom can feed them/change them/tend to them. As far as infant assessments and first baths...thats all done in the room.

so then what do you do in the case of sick moms? I was on magnesium sulfate and had a rough c-section - I was hallucinating when I came out of surgery and recovery more than 5 hours later - I don't remember the first 24 hours of the kids lives, and I certainly would NOT have been able to get out of bed to do anything (plus I had a Foley until I was off the mag) - would you then take the babies to the nursery? (sorry I tend to thing of babies as coming in more than one LOL!)

Specializes in Labor and Delivery, Newborn, Antepartum.

Interesting. We are looking at ....going the directino of baby friendly, but we do participate in rooming in, skin to skin, etc. We actually have a lot in place that BFHI supports. We do our bili treatments in the rooms and feeder growers, their mom's do what we call boarding. This is where, if we have the room, they get their own room that they keep the baby in.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.
so then what do you do in the case of sick moms? I was on magnesium sulfate and had a rough c-section - I was hallucinating when I came out of surgery and recovery more than 5 hours later - I don't remember the first 24 hours of the kids lives, and I certainly would NOT have been able to get out of bed to do anything (plus I had a Foley until I was off the mag) - would you then take the babies to the nursery? (sorry I tend to thing of babies as coming in more than one LOL!)

Well obviously if mom is sick as you were then the baby goes to the nursery! We're not reckless-come on!

An otherwise, uncomplicated birth with a stable mom and babe-they are couplet care and room in.

Well obviously if mom is sick as you were then the baby goes to the nursery! We're not reckless-come on!

An otherwise, uncomplicated birth with a stable mom and babe-they are couplet care and room in.

sorry - I was just wondering if you required the father of the baby or other family member to stay and care for the baby(ies) - I didn't mean to sound stupid to you...

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
so then what do you do in the case of sick moms? I was on magnesium sulfate and had a rough c-section - I was hallucinating when I came out of surgery and recovery more than 5 hours later - I don't remember the first 24 hours of the kids lives, and I certainly would NOT have been able to get out of bed to do anything (plus I had a Foley until I was off the mag) - would you then take the babies to the nursery? (sorry I tend to thing of babies as coming in more than one LOL!)

At my facility, if the mom is sick, one of the admit nurses (they do the newborn admissions/transitions) is assigned to the infant. So the baby hangs out at the nurses' station or nursery with the baby, or if she has an admission to do, another nurse will babysit. But our nursery sounds a lot like Melmarie's. We encourage rooming in, and I can count on one hand the number of times *I* have suggested a baby go to the nursery. But if parents ask, we don't deny them, but we make it clear that if they're breastfeeding and baby is fussy, the baby will go back to the mom. Or in the case of all babies, they must go back at 6:30.

Some hospitals do "baby-friendly" better than others. I work with 2 now that are awesome. They encurage NCB, don't do elective c-sections unless it's a repeat, VBAC often, and support the mothers feeding/circ/vax decisions. The baby rooms in unless the mother asks for it to be taken for awhile.

The hospital where I had my daughter wasn't so good. After 32 hours of labor and dealing with almost 10 hours of Pit without pain meds I was moved to c-section for failure to progress past 7cm. Baby was fine...I wasn't. I was exhausted, in pain, and very emotional. My ex was with me at the time and helped me with the baby over night. He had to work the next morning and he asked the nurses to take the baby for a few hours so I could sleep. We were bottle feeding due to meds that I was on so it shouldn't have been a big deal. I was in tears I was so tired. He waited for them to come and take her and he got me settled in to sleep. He left and 10 minutes later they bring the baby back. They left me in tears holding her. He called me around the time they were supposed to bring her back and was shocked to find out that they brought her back after he'd had time to leave.

Highly mom-unfriendly. And just a darn shame. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience. How great that you work at hospitals that handle things better. :up:

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