baby friendly questions

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The hospital that I work at is in the process of becoming baby friendly, and I have some questions about how the baby friendly initiative is implemented in other hospitals.

I want to start by saying that I think that breastfeeding is a wonderful, healthy, mutually beneficial thing, but I wonder if the experience where I work is typical. If a patient says she intends to bottle feed, or a breastfeeding mother requests a bottle, we are supposed to try to persuade her to breastfeed. We've been given a script to follow that basically seems guilt inducing to me. We are supposed to use this script on everyone from a exclusively breastfeeding first time mother to a patient who has had her sixth baby and has supplemented every single child. I've had patient's tell me that they have asked for bottles and the previous nurse acted as though she didn't hear the question and some mothers actually crying and begging for bottles. I feel that my job is to help my patients do whatever it is that they want, not to guilt people into breastfeeding. I will go over the benefits of breastfeeding, how babies need to nurse frequently, how frequent nursing will encourage milk supply, I will tell my patients who want to supplement during the first 24 hours that it is not necessary, I will talk about baby's nutritional needs and stomach capacity . . . I will give my patients all the information I can, but I try to do it in an informative way. And this isn't good enough. If a patient is still requesting bottles, I don't feel that I should tell them no, but the next day our lactation consults are telling me (and other staff, too) that we should try harder and that we must be pushing formula. I will help my patients do whatever they want to do, but I refuse to tell them that formula is basically poison, which seems to be what the hospital wants.

I work at night and the other issue is the night time nursery. We are being asked to make our patients sign a waiver before their babies will be allowed in the nursery. The waiver lists an entire page of reasons why baby should room in and at the bottom it says something like "I would like my baby to be separated from me despite all of the benefits of rooming in. I give permission for my baby to go the nursery despite the fact that we will not receive the mutal benefits of rooming in." This form should only be given to parents once they've asked for their child to go to the nursery. I feel awful taking this waiver in to a sleep deprived woman with hormones surging through her body who has finally decided that it's okay to let us watch her baby between breastfeedings. There has to be a better way.

We have also been told that we will not be able to give out pacifiers even if parents ask for them in the near future. Pacifiers are only to be used for comfort during circumcisions and then thrown away.

For many people, they already feel guilty asking for a bottle or for the baby to go to the nursery. I don't really know what to say to parents who are literally so exhausted that they can't keep their eyes open or patients who have had the baby to breast so much that their nipples are so tender that they are crying. Since we've started going through the baby friendly process, we've had more babies dropped during the night, babies in bed with mothers--I found one baby half hanging off the bed next to it's mother's knees, and one completely covered with the blankets over its face next to its snoring mother. These situations are not typical, but we have been noticing that they are happening more and more frequently.

I don't think that formula and mandatory night nursery are the answer either, I feel that my patients are adults who should have the ability to make informed decisions. I would like to know what other nurses experiences with baby friendly are. I feel like the my hospital is taking it a bit far and that breastfeeding has become more important than anything else, it's almost become as if lactation services have more power (for lack of a better word) than anyone else, and the relationship between the LC's and the nurses has become so adversarial, to the point where they are telling our management that we are collecting the babies every night and taking them to the nursery to feed them bottles. Actually, it's easier for me if the baby is in the mother's room and she and dad are caring for the baby and feeding him or her and changing the diapers . . . the nursery isn't for my convenience, and most of my coworkers have this same opinion.

Anyway, I'm sorry this is so long, and I thank anyone who reads all my rambling and gives me some opinions and advice.

~Rhee

Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.
Actually, having a mom hand express colostrum and spoon- or cup-feeding it to the baby is an appropriate intervention if the baby is not yet able to latch. There are many advantages to the baby receiving colostrum as early as possible (and for the mom to express or nurse ASAP after birth) and amazingly, newborns often do well with spoon- or cup-feeding which can help to maintain their blood glucose. Your comment about "milk hasn't come down all the way to the nipple" shows lack of understanding about breastfeeding.!

So please offer suggestions as to how to assist a mother in this situation who is unable to express colostrum (either by hand or pump), keeping in mind that most hospitals do not offer DBM, and some parents prefer not to use it, even if available.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.
\ What happens to babies who are up for adoption-or on DYFS holds. Where do they go? Is ins charged a larger amount, because there is no nursery..and they must go to special care or NICU. Are all rooms private, and are family members aware, in advance of delivery, that they are expected to stay with mom, and assist her with baby?

BUFA's and DCYF holds become "nursery" babies and thus into our special care nursery (as its our only nursery). Yes, all our rooms are private and yes, parents are told this in advance and that we encourage 24/7 rooming in. This info is made available to them on our website, during tours and during our childbirth classes.

We rarely get complaints over our rooming in policy. And we only occasionally have babies that are sent out by request of the parents. Most want their babies to room in.

Change isnt easy, and I get that. Something that works differently than what one is used to...its hard to envision the logistics. I get why some might be resistant to it, but the only way to know if it wil work is to try it out and work out the kinks as they arise.

Change is not easy...I think that the success of this program depends in large part to the sector of people that the hospital serves. And yet, there are still a fair amount of patients who expect to get some rest in the hospital who expect and need to get rest in the hospital...those who do not have family near by to assist, or who have many children at home to care for-and I feel that their needs should not be overlooked...When all is said and done, this trend all comes down to saving money for the hospital..

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.

There are lots of ways to encourage rest that do not necessiarly result in removing baby from the room. Limit visitorsand instill a unit "quiet time." Encourage mom to sleep when baby sleeps (because lets be honest here...most healthy babes sleep quite often, espeically in that first day). Cluster your care. Keep mom comfortable and medicated for her pain. Ensure babies are feeding adequately (however it may be...via breast or bottle). So on so forth.

...some Moms WANT to send baby out of room for a spell-what about their request? I still feel that too much guilt is being laid on..

Specializes in NICU, Public Health.

I'm glad I'm not alone! I feel like I'm going against the parents' wishes when I have to persuade them to not supplement. The milk is not in yet, the baby is starving, show me the literature where putting that stress on the baby is more healthy than supplementing with formula until the mothers milk fully comes in. It doesn't make sense to me.

A lot of these comments sound all too familiar to me. We have a nursery that is open at night from 11p-6a. It is always the mother's choice if she wants to send the baby or not. In my experience, they usually want to keep the baby in the room the first night. But the second night, after having no sleep for a day or 2, they are ready to send the baby then. I personally don't care either way, but when the moms are exhausted, especially on that second night, I encourage them to send the baby and get some rest. If they are breasfeeding, we return the baby when it is time to eat. As far as breastfeeding goes, I think it's great, but it's not for everyone. It requires a very strong commitment. I support the mother either way. I really don't care how the baby eats, as long as it eats. While breast milk may be best, there is nothing wrong with formula either. It is not the poison that most LCs think it is. There is a huge wall between the nurses and the LCs where I work. I really wish it wasn't that way. It shouldn't be this way. We refer to most of the LCs where I work as boob nazies. That may sound harsh, but that is a very good description for them. I often have very fussy babies, with high weight loss and obvious dehydration, dry lips, etc. We are not allowed to even suggest formula for these babies unless the weight loss is greater than 10%. If we do, or even if lactation suspects we did, we get in trouble. We also get in trouble sometimes if we take a mother a breast pump. Our policy is that babies eat within 7 hours, or they must be given formula. So if the baby won't latch for what ever reason, I offer them a pump. The LCs think it's ok for a baby to go over 7 hours before eating. I think this is just cruel. Who wants to let their child go that long without eating? We have no LCs at night, and that's when most of the breast feeding issues occur. I am really tired of having to justify my nursing care to lactation. Maybe instead of complaining about our care, we should just call them at 3 am to come in and get a baby to latch after we have tried for hours, when Mom, baby, and nurse are all exhausted. Maybe then they would change their way of thinking.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.
...some Moms WANT to send baby out of room for a spell-what about their request? I still feel that too much guilt is being laid on..

I think that some are not reading the responses fully and getting a bit defensive. We will honor their request in this instance, provided we have enough coverage in the nursery at that time. There is no outright denial to mom's. And again, these requests, at least on my unit, are extremely limited. Mom's truly do, for the most part, want their babies to room in.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.
A We refer to most of the LCs where I work as boob nazies. That may sound harsh, but that is a very good description for them. I often have very fussy babies, with high weight loss and obvious dehydration, dry lips, etc. We are not allowed to even suggest formula for these babies unless the weight loss is greater than 10%. If we do, or even if lactation suspects we did, we get in trouble. We also get in trouble sometimes if we take a mother a breast pump. Our policy is that babies eat within 7 hours, or they must be given formula. So if the baby won't latch for what ever reason, I offer them a pump. The LCs think it's ok for a baby to go over 7 hours before eating. I think this is just cruel. Who wants to let their child go that long without eating? We have no LCs at night, and that's when most of the breast feeding issues occur. I am really tired of having to justify my nursing care to lactation. Maybe instead of complaining about our care, we should just call them at 3 am to come in and get a baby to latch after we have tried for hours, when Mom, baby, and nurse are all exhausted. Maybe then they would change their way of thinking.

I only speak of my own experience working at a Baby Friendly hospital. The horror stories that have been presented in this thread (not just your post either) are not how we operate at all. We provide formula to those who want to feed their children formula, or who choose formula for supplementation. We also have donor milk for supplementation if they wish to travel down that route as well. We have great LCs who offer awesome breast feeding support, as does our nursing staff, pediatricians and OBs. We have great breastfeeding rates. We dont guilt women who dont exclusive breastfeed, or who dont breastfeed at all. That is not what being Baby Friendly is about.

I think its extremely unfortunate that there are units who operate in the manner in which you describe. However, I dont think that what is described is a Baby Friendly issue. I think its a systems issue more so than anything else. Nursing staff, medical staff and LCs need to be all on the same page and support mother and baby in the same manner. This conflict between all persons is doing nothing but a huge disservice to mom and baby and has the potential to leave them more confused and with more problems by the time they go home.

I think a main problem with a lot of LCs is they think a mother should breast feed exclusively no matter what. In some cases, this is just not possible. When I have a very fussy baby that's also dehydrated and obviously starving, despite latching well and being at the breast constantly, I think it's time to supplement. I don't think it's right that I am not allowed to offer this to the mother, even though the baby is my patient and I am responsible for him/her.

Specializes in Postpartum, L&D, Mother-Baby.

I work at a baby-friendly facility, too. Just started here 2 months ago. I do believe breast is best, but gosh darnit I should not be forced to push breastfeeding on these moms if they absolutely want to bottle feed. When they go home, there is a 99.9% chance they are gonna give the baby formula anyway, no matter how much we sit with them, educate, assist with latching on, etc. I love the facility I work for but this breastfeeding thing, especially when moms aren't interested in breastfeeding at all and have their hearts set on bottle feeding no matter what you say or do is kind of irritating! We are required to educate them on why breast is best and the "risks of bottle feeding over breastfeeding", then make them sign this form before we can get formula out of the pyxis for them. And to top it off, we are starting to get emails calculating which nurses are giving the most bottles during their shifts!!!!! Come on!!! In my eyes, as long as the baby eats and both mom and baby are healthy, I'm OK!!!:lol2:

Question: What are the benifits for the staff and the facility for being a baby-friendly hospital, anyway?

While breast milk may be best, there is nothing wrong with formula either. It is not the poison that most LCs think it is.

You're right. Formula is not poison. I would hope that anyone who is working with mothers and babies doesn't describe it as such.

Human milk isn't best, it's normal. It is species-specific food for human infants. It has everything a baby needs nutritionally, plus active immune factors, pre and probiotics, growth factors, and even stem cells! Human milk is a living substance that provides more than just nutrition, and breastfeeding is more than a food delivery system. In short, breastfeeding matters.

Formula is like a medical replacement food, such as Ensure. Formula provides nutrition in the right proportions to fuel infant growth and development. That said, it's not equal to human milk, just like medical replacements such as Ensure are in not equal to a diet of fresh, whole, living foods. Does that make sense?

Formula is available for babies who need it, and thankfully so. That said, human milk and formula are not equals; it's not like choosing between Coke and Pepsi. Parents deserve to know the differences between the two, so they can make an informed choice about infant feeding. Ideally, this would happen during pregnancy, not in the first hours after birth. Unfortunately, the subject is rarely addressed in any real detail until it's time to feed the baby. That's a real problem with the system.

IMHO everyone who works with mother baby pairs should know the differences between human milk and formula, and why breastfeeding (and exclusive breastfeeding) matters. I can understand how it would be easy for anyone to be blase' about the early introduction of formula if they didn't know that the lack of human milk increases risk factors for illness and health disparities, and even one bottle of formula can have a negative affect on the developing gut flora of the newborn.

I often have very fussy babies, with high weight loss and obvious dehydration, dry lips, etc. We are not allowed to even suggest formula for these babies unless the weight loss is greater than 10%. If we do, or even if lactation suspects we did, we get in trouble. We also get in trouble sometimes if we take a mother a breast pump. Our policy is that babies eat within 7 hours, or they must be given formula. So if the baby won't latch for what ever reason, I offer them a pump. The LCs think it's ok for a baby to go over 7 hours before eating. I think this is just cruel. Who wants to let their child go that long without eating? We have no LCs at night, and that's when most of the breast feeding issues occur. I am really tired of having to justify my nursing care to lactation. Maybe instead of complaining about our care, we should just call them at 3 am to come in and get a baby to latch after we have tried for hours, when Mom, baby, and nurse are all exhausted. Maybe then they would change their way of thinking.

You might find this information helpful:

ABM Clinical Protocol #3: Hospital Guidelines for the Use of Supplementary Feedings in the Healthy Term Breastfed Neonate, Revised 2009

http://www.bfmed.org/Media/Files/Protocols/Protocol%203%20English%20Supplementation.pdf

Are the mom and baby in your example above in skin to skin contact (kangaroo care)? If not, that would be the first "intervention" to try. It can help to minimize interruptions and afford mom as much privacy as possible. Ask visitors to wait (having an audience of visitors and staff can make initiating breastfeeding even more stressful).

If baby is unable to latch after spending a considerable amount of time in kangaroo care, you could teach mom hand expression. This is usually a much more effective way to remove colostrum than pumping alone (plus much of the colostrum expressed by pump is lost in the breastshield). One method is to hand express onto a spoon (like a disposable teaspoon), then feed to baby. It is taught here, by Dr. Jane Morton of Stanford Medical School: http://newborns.stanford.edu/Breastfeeding/HandExpression.html

If baby is still unable to latch, mom should ideally hand express and pump in order to stimulate copious milk production. See here for a technique to help her remove more milk and maximize her milk production:

Maximizing Production - Newborn Nursery at LPCH - Stanford University School of Medicine

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