baby friendly questions

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The hospital that I work at is in the process of becoming baby friendly, and I have some questions about how the baby friendly initiative is implemented in other hospitals.

I want to start by saying that I think that breastfeeding is a wonderful, healthy, mutually beneficial thing, but I wonder if the experience where I work is typical. If a patient says she intends to bottle feed, or a breastfeeding mother requests a bottle, we are supposed to try to persuade her to breastfeed. We've been given a script to follow that basically seems guilt inducing to me. We are supposed to use this script on everyone from a exclusively breastfeeding first time mother to a patient who has had her sixth baby and has supplemented every single child. I've had patient's tell me that they have asked for bottles and the previous nurse acted as though she didn't hear the question and some mothers actually crying and begging for bottles. I feel that my job is to help my patients do whatever it is that they want, not to guilt people into breastfeeding. I will go over the benefits of breastfeeding, how babies need to nurse frequently, how frequent nursing will encourage milk supply, I will tell my patients who want to supplement during the first 24 hours that it is not necessary, I will talk about baby's nutritional needs and stomach capacity . . . I will give my patients all the information I can, but I try to do it in an informative way. And this isn't good enough. If a patient is still requesting bottles, I don't feel that I should tell them no, but the next day our lactation consults are telling me (and other staff, too) that we should try harder and that we must be pushing formula. I will help my patients do whatever they want to do, but I refuse to tell them that formula is basically poison, which seems to be what the hospital wants.

I work at night and the other issue is the night time nursery. We are being asked to make our patients sign a waiver before their babies will be allowed in the nursery. The waiver lists an entire page of reasons why baby should room in and at the bottom it says something like "I would like my baby to be separated from me despite all of the benefits of rooming in. I give permission for my baby to go the nursery despite the fact that we will not receive the mutal benefits of rooming in." This form should only be given to parents once they've asked for their child to go to the nursery. I feel awful taking this waiver in to a sleep deprived woman with hormones surging through her body who has finally decided that it's okay to let us watch her baby between breastfeedings. There has to be a better way.

We have also been told that we will not be able to give out pacifiers even if parents ask for them in the near future. Pacifiers are only to be used for comfort during circumcisions and then thrown away.

For many people, they already feel guilty asking for a bottle or for the baby to go to the nursery. I don't really know what to say to parents who are literally so exhausted that they can't keep their eyes open or patients who have had the baby to breast so much that their nipples are so tender that they are crying. Since we've started going through the baby friendly process, we've had more babies dropped during the night, babies in bed with mothers--I found one baby half hanging off the bed next to it's mother's knees, and one completely covered with the blankets over its face next to its snoring mother. These situations are not typical, but we have been noticing that they are happening more and more frequently.

I don't think that formula and mandatory night nursery are the answer either, I feel that my patients are adults who should have the ability to make informed decisions. I would like to know what other nurses experiences with baby friendly are. I feel like the my hospital is taking it a bit far and that breastfeeding has become more important than anything else, it's almost become as if lactation services have more power (for lack of a better word) than anyone else, and the relationship between the LC's and the nurses has become so adversarial, to the point where they are telling our management that we are collecting the babies every night and taking them to the nursery to feed them bottles. Actually, it's easier for me if the baby is in the mother's room and she and dad are caring for the baby and feeding him or her and changing the diapers . . . the nursery isn't for my convenience, and most of my coworkers have this same opinion.

Anyway, I'm sorry this is so long, and I thank anyone who reads all my rambling and gives me some opinions and advice.

~Rhee

The baby isn't the only one who needs care. Momma does too.

And all that stuff about how babies shouldn't be separated from their mothers during the first few days is overblown. We went over this in psych...mothers used to be told that if they didn't immediately hold their babies within minutes after birth, they could not properly bond throughout their lifetime. When babies had to go the NICU, often their mothers assumed that their relationships would be tainted forever...and proceed to act that way toward their children. Later research revealed that parent-child bonding has almost nothing to do with being able to hold your baby immediately, but rather more on being a dedicated parent throughout the lifetime of the baby. And you can be a dedicated parent, and still take breaks to take care of yourself. Tsk tsk tsk.

Are you aware that skin to skin isn't just for the mother, it's for the baby first and foremost? Skin to skin contact is an important part of an infants' early development. It makes a difference not just in the first few days, but in years to come! The positive outcomes are most pronounced in premature infants, but all babies need contact with their mothers (or a loving caregiver if mom is not able or available). Here's a report on a recent study you might be interested in.

Loving touch critical for premature infants

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Breastfeeding success is greatly enhanced by immediate skin to skin and not separating the mom and baby postpartum. NOBODY is saying that if mom and baby are separated, it will create a lifelong inability to bond properly.

My own personal experience - my first two children, I had immediate skin to skin and rooming in 24/7. I had an abundant milk supply (was able to donate milk) and breastfed them until they were 4. With my third child, he had to go to the NICU. I didn't get to hold him until he was 6 days old. We struggled through primary lactation failure, I had to supplement 1/2 his milk until he was taking in enough solids, and he weaned at 19 months. Coincidence? Who knows.

Our hospital just started our Baby-Friendly journey, and it's been a nightmare. Pretty much all hospitals in our area are going for BF. Duckydot28, you hit the nail on the head! These BFHI steps are being treated like "the gospel" of successful breastfeeding, which it is not! Moms and babies absolutely still bond when the baby is sent to the nursery. And it's very upsetting to me that we are supposed to pretend that these moms won't bond with their infants because of a few hours in the nursery. It's absolutely ridiculous. If a mom isn't bonding with her infant, there are deeper problems that rooming in is not going to fix.

Breastfeeding is absolutely best. And most moms are well aware if this and have decided how they're going to feed their infant before they even enter the hospital. Breastfeeding is being treated like it's going to prevent all illnesses and diseases, and formula is being treated like poison. Formula is poison unless your baby needs it...is a NICU baby, looses too much weight, becomes dehydrated, etc. Then all of a sudden becomes lifesaving and it's ok.

I hope in a few years that we will take a look at if this BFHI is actually increasing breastfeeding rates. I don't think it will. I think all it's managing to do is make new moms feel like they're being judged. It also prevents RNs from being able to help moms they way they want to be helped. A patient tells you what they need, formula, a pacifier, a nursery, you should be able to provide that.

The research that supports BFHI is from the early 90's. The research is just too old. There needs to be new research to support it. And most of it, you can't even draw cause and effect conclusions from it. For example, you can't include that pacifiers decrease breastfeeding rates from the data!

I recently found a small list of about 6 hospitals, 4 of which were Baby-Friendly, and most of these hospitals still and a 50-60% breastfeeding rate, despite being officially designated Baby-Friendly. I think it was in The Boston Globe. The whole thing is ridiculous. I doubt that BF rates will go up as a result of these steps.

Our patients certainly don't want most of these steps to be implemented. They like the skin to skin. But, they want the nursery, pacifiers, and some want formula. Nothing wrong with any of that! Doesn't make them bad mothers. They're the patients! They know what they need. We shouldn't be telling them what they need.

Infant drops have gone up with this too. This is unacceptable! But this is a trend in BF hospitals if you look at the data! The drops go up when exhausted moms are forced to keep their infants when they are unable to safely care for them! How these lactivists think this is acceptable is beyond me! Some of them aren't even nurses, so they of course can't relate to being responsible for these mom's and baby's safety. Breastfeeding is their only job and concern. You can't breastfeed a dead infant though. As a nurse, you're most concerned about safety and meeting your patients' needs. I just can't believe that this BFHI has gotten this far and that hospital administrators are actually buying this crap! None of the nurses or even the nurse managers buy it at our hospital. We're just being forced to do it by upper management because it's "the thing" to do. It's horrible!

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I hope in a few years that we will take a look at if this BFHI is actually increasing breastfeeding rates. I don't think it will.

The research that supports BFHI is from the early 90's. The research is just too old.

BFHI has been around for 25 years. And yes, it has shown that it improves breastfeeding initiation rates, as well as decreases attrition rates at hospital discharge and 3 months.

No, the research that supports BFHI BEGAN in the early '90s, when BFHI began. But there is continued research over the years, and research as recent as 2015, showing that it improves breastfeeding rates.

If they are FORCING tired moms to keep their babies in their rooms, without any family support in caring for the infant, then they're not interpreting or implementing BFHI correctly. Blame your facility, not BFHI.

Specializes in Transition nursing and couplet care.

Omg. I am so glad I found this. My hospital is currently working on getting certified and it is driving me insane. I do what is best for my patients period. If taking a baby for a night is going to help them then I do it. If they insist on formula, I don't lecture them. The LC's are under so much stress they have become bullies.

Specializes in L&D.

These are wonderful posts and thoughts! Thank you all I thoroughly enjoyed reading these insights!

my biggest concerns with baby friendly is:

1. Limiting how much formula a strictly bottle fed infant gets (the mum has the ask for a bottle each time) because apparently you can't trust a mother to bottle feed appropriately

2. Ummmm ya I have had to politely ask mothers to place baby in bassinet r/t safety of them being suffocated or falling onto the floor and this is on every single night shift. I get worried sick thinking that my pts baby might die or sustain a skull fx because low and behold the mom is FATIGUED AND PASSED OUT with a NB somewhere in that bed.

3. Multips WANT A BREAK WHILE AT HOSPITAL! Some women are exhausted with the rest of their family and now they have a NB so they are going to take any chance they can to get a little rest. Guilt tripping them is hideous.

4. We have to do all the NBs weights, PKU, etc in the room!!! And at night!!!! Yuck. Sorry mum your babe is going to be screaming while I quick do this PKU at 0300!

5. Getting shunned by the LC for giving a bottle, pacifier or nipple shield isn't appropriate. We are helping our pts and trying to make starving / inconsolable NBs happy (not to mention trying to help the exhausted poor mums!)

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I am very thankful to see that everyone agrees that WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOSE BREAST OR BOTTLE. Hands down. This is the bottom line. I hope the frigging WHO reads this.

Specializes in OB.
These are wonderful posts and thoughts! Thank you all I thoroughly enjoyed reading these insights!my biggest concerns with baby friendly is:1. Limiting how much formula a strictly bottle fed infant gets (the mum has the ask for a bottle each time) because apparently you can't trust a mother to bottle feed appropriately2. Ummmm ya I have had to politely ask mothers to place baby in bassinet r/t safety of them being suffocated or falling onto the floor and this is on every single night shift. I get worried sick thinking that my pts baby might die or sustain a skull fx because low and behold the mom is FATIGUED AND PASSED OUT with a NB somewhere in that bed. 3. Multips WANT A BREAK WHILE AT HOSPITAL! Some women are exhausted with the rest of their family and now they have a NB so they are going to take any chance they can to get a little rest. Guilt tripping them is hideous. 4. We have to do all the NBs weights, PKU, etc in the room!!! And at night!!!! Yuck. Sorry mum your babe is going to be screaming while I quick do this PKU at 0300!5. Getting shunned by the LC for giving a bottle, pacifier or nipple shield isn't appropriate. We are helping our pts and trying to make starving / inconsolable NBs happy (not to mention trying to help the exhausted poor mums!)---------------------------------I am very thankful to see that everyone agrees that WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOSE BREAST OR BOTTLE. Hands down. This is the bottom line. I hope the frigging WHO reads this.
I feel like you're placing undue blame on the Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative and the WHO. Most of the things you've posted are not required by BFHI. Nowhere in their criteria does it say you can only give formula feeding moms one bottle at a time. Nowhere is it stated that moms have to cosleep with their infants (I assume that's what you meant in #2? Not quite sure), or that procedures HAVE to be done in the mom's room. "Guilt tripping" should never occur, and common sense should prevail. The BFHI is all about educating moms, using the latest evidence. There's nothing wrong with a hospital not supplying pacifiers, because we know from research that moms who want to breastfeed but introduce pacifiers from the very beginning will be at risk for lower supply. That doesn't mean a mom can't bring her own pacifier, you just teach her what you know based on the evidence, and she is free to make her own choice. We know from research that breastfeed babies are overall healthier than formula fed babies, but again, BFHI does not state that moms shouldn't be given the choice between breast and bottle feeding. If that's how your facility is pursuing it, then they're interpreting it wrong.

Moms bond with their babies without coercion from nurses. This has gone too far.

These are wonderful posts and thoughts! Thank you all I thoroughly enjoyed reading these insights!

my biggest concerns with baby friendly is:

1. Limiting how much formula a strictly bottle fed infant gets (the mum has the ask for a bottle each time) because apparently you can't trust a mother to bottle feed appropriately

2. Ummmm ya I have had to politely ask mothers to place baby in bassinet r/t safety of them being suffocated or falling onto the floor and this is on every single night shift. I get worried sick thinking that my pts baby might die or sustain a skull fx because low and behold the mom is FATIGUED AND PASSED OUT with a NB somewhere in that bed.

3. Multips WANT A BREAK WHILE AT HOSPITAL! Some women are exhausted with the rest of their family and now they have a NB so they are going to take any chance they can to get a little rest. Guilt tripping them is hideous.

4. We have to do all the NBs weights, PKU, etc in the room!!! And at night!!!! Yuck. Sorry mum your babe is going to be screaming while I quick do this PKU at 0300!

5. Getting shunned by the LC for giving a bottle, pacifier or nipple shield isn't appropriate. We are helping our pts and trying to make starving / inconsolable NBs happy (not to mention trying to help the exhausted poor mums!)

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I am very thankful to see that everyone agrees that WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOSE BREAST OR BOTTLE. Hands down. This is the bottom line. I hope the frigging WHO reads this.

Don't assume you know what multips want. Each mother has specific goals and opinions. If you had tried to take my nb to a nursery so "I could sleep" I'd bounce your scrubs-clad bottom out of my room.

Baby friendly basics are just that - basic. Don't blame BFI and WHO when the hospitals are the ones going overboard.

If they are FORCING tired moms to keep their babies in their rooms, without any family support in caring for the infant, then they're not interpreting or implementing BFHI correctly. Blame your facility, not BFHI.

This times 1000!

Baby-Friendly is about supporting moms and babies in the best possible way. If a mom doesn't have family support and she needs to rest, then baby may need to be with a nurse for a few hours. Families should be educated about the importance of keeping mom and baby together, as well as educated about how to keep baby safe in these early days of life (someone awake with baby, someone awake while mom is feeding baby, etc). They should also be educated about the reasons for keeping mom and baby together that have nothing to do with breastfeeding and bonding, such as reduced risk of nosocomial infections! That might be something your hospital could build into their expectant mom packets and teach at hospital tours/childbirth classes.

Hospitals aren't luxury inns with daycare. It's not crazy to expect parents to care for their own newborn. They will have to do it 24/7 in a day or so when they go home. They need to understand what that is really like, and gain confidence in their parenting abilities before they take their new little one(s) home without any help around. Self efficacy is very important. If a mom is truly sick or just exhausted, then of course the nursery or the care of a nurse should be available for that. Otherwise, in the arms of a loving family member is the best place for a new baby to be.

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