Wow, I know teachers work hard and put in long hours but this guy thinks teachers deserve a much higher salary than a ASN nurse. What do you think 2-year degree/all nurses? Please let me know your thoughts. I was outraged, not that teachers dont deserve the $50 per hour, but that he thinks it should be so much more than a nurse. Here's his post as it appears in the newspaper:
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As long as we in the USA supports the mentality of sgt's comment and not Teufel's comments inferences, we will have second rate schools. A true blue, quality teacher should be very well paid. They are in a profession (male or female as a teacher) as in 'a woman's work is never done syndrome'/they work at home, summers, all the time preparing for their students, enquiring, mentally and physically/actually; teaching is only the significant/weekday part of their work. Persons with an AS degree in nursing as a travel nurse can make as much as $35.00 an hour. 'Comparatively', Teachers, perhaps, should make at least 50 dollars an hour, and would still be under paid, given what CEO's, for example, make, if one were to compare them to the salaries and bonuses of Wall Street executives and so many other so called business professions and THEY have never learned basic 'lessons'! You know exactly what I mean sgt. So stop bellyaching and go pay your taxes with glee. Don Beattie in Winthrop, Me.
This was not an editorial by a professional writer, just an opinion... and we're all full of them:D It initially burnt my britches too, but then I understood his point. He was trying to justify the hard work involved and low compensation with our teachers, whom are in a thankless crappy job like us!
I wish more people understood what we REALLY do, what we REALLY face and how hard it is like you posted OP, but I wish more people were like the writer and posted about our issues and wish I could without reprisal from my employer. I wish we had more of him, just a bit more educated to us nurses.
That one persons view, initially posted locally is now being considered world wide because of you. We need more of both of you to get the public educated. Thanks for the food for thought.
Like the others, I want teachers paid $50/hr..... they are worth their weight in gold, we are too.
Imagine having 28 patients in one small room. They have varying diagnoses ranging from incontinence, ADHD, narcissistic personality disorder, and bipolar disorder. Few can stay in their beds (chairs). They are all involuntarily committed, at least for your shift. All would probably rather be somewhere else. You are unable to do paperwork on the job, you must cram it in when you get home, on your weekend, etc. You are chronically short on supplies.
This world would be a much different place if teachers indeed were paid $50 an hour. Just a few of the world's corporate CEOs could chip in and make that happen.
GOOD teachers should be well paid, but there is too little accountability in teaching. Also they have much better pensions and survivor's pensions than any nurse will ever see. In fact they have better benefits across the board. Then they work day shift hours, have weekends, holidays and summers off. Comparing their salaries to nursing is apples to oranges.
Yes, teachers have better benefits. Can't deny that. However it really galls me when people say there isn't enough accountability in teaching. There isn't enough accountability in EDUCATION, and that means that the administration, parents, and kids have little expected of them while the teachers are supposed to take the blame for everything that's wrong. Imagine if your patient had her sixth heart attack after being repeatedly educated about the dangers of smoking and uncontrolled diabetes and YOU as the nurse got blamed for it because you didn't do enough education, didn't keep her from eating those 6 doughnuts at home the day before, and didn't make her quit smoking. Ridiculous, right? Well, that's the kind of stuff teachers are 'accountable' for all day long. Johnny didn't make it to school this morning and has 30 absences. That's the teacher's fault for not making classes 'interesting' enough. Johnny didn't feel like doing his homework, so it's the teacher's fault because the homework was too 'hard' for him, and it's not convenient to make him come in for extra help before or after school. Johnny made pretty pictures with the fill in bubbles on the standardized test that has no consequences or incentives for him if he does well or not. It's the teacher's fault for not making him understand how important the tests are. Good teachers see how broken the system is, and most of them get out before it destroys them. Very few good teachers put up with it for very long. If teachers, nurses, police, firefighters got together and formed a union, look out world. Until such a time, they will continue to be undervalued by society.
Your logic escapes the masses. We are now in a world of "those that are not held accountable for their actions". A union can't help this, it's a larger society issue which trancends those stupid masses that keep making it "others" fault.
Your logic is clear... it's the villagers with the pitchforks that keep bringing us down. Sorry to rain on your incredible parade. But the logical people knew enough not to show up for it.
Mr. Beattie's comments are so poorly written, I hope he's not giving credit to any of his teachers for his composition skills. If so, he argues against himself.
Please understand that I am not trying to turn this into a BSN vs ADN debate, but I do believe that entry level educational requirements play a part in this type of comment.
For virtually every teaching position, the minimum educational requirement is a Bachelor's Degree. In many school districts, the para-professional staff members are required to have an Associate's Degree.
When school administrators and the general public see that a nurse can have an ADN, they equate their pay scale with that of the para-professionals, not with the Bachelor's Degree holders.
This, of course, fails to take into account the level of independent practice, accountability and professional licensure of the RN.
But whenever a bean counter has an excuse to pay someone less than they should, they will take it.
to phoenixrn: i'm with you 100% but now imagine those same 28 patients with "varying diagnoses ranging from incontinence..." to dementia, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, depressive disorders, suffering in pain, and/or dying... "they are all involuntarily committed, at least for your shift. all would probably rather be somewhere else. you are unable to do paperwork on the job...you must cram it in" when your shift ends, or lunch break, or "when you get home, on your weekend, etc. you are chronically short on supplies". as a nurse, we often do this work without breaks. many of us have no paid vacation, no pension, and even more frequently, i've noticed, no health insurance. i think we all agree that teachers should be paid better, that's not the point. to compare the two just in terms of education is to be ignorant of the hard work nurses do as well -- not to mention the human lives that are saved or helped by nursing. too bad "none" didn't educate himself before making those comments.
Agree with all of the above postings. Lived in Maine for many years, even been to Winthrop. If the above quoted letter is an accurate example of his letter, I'd say the teachers in Winthrop Maine might be a tad lacking or even overpaid, IMHO
For virtually every teaching position, the minimum educational requirement is a Bachelor's Degree. In many school districts, the para-professional staff members are required to have an Associate's Degree.
Actually, in most areas the minimum requirement for teachers is the Master's Degree. They can be hired with a Bachelor's but must be actively in a Master's program already, or commit to achieving their Master's degree within a very few years. If that degree is not completed within the prescribed time, they are no longer employed.
Don't know where that writer is located but he is ignorant of what nurses get paid here in my part the upper mid west where new ADN grads start out at >$30/hour.
I'll need an address, please, and the location of five reasonably priced empty apartments. After two years I'm not making anything close to $30. What's cost of living like?
You couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher to a classroom full of someone else's children, and especially not to a room full of snotty know-it-all teenagers.
Nursing is the devil that I know, complete with walking out of report to two patients: an ETOH'r going through full blown DT's, yelling "F*(k You" at the top of their lungs and spitting AND incontinent of stool and urine, and a vented patient who's blood pressure is 69/22 and is on 14 different drips with four of them going dry all at the same time.
After two years I'm not making anything close to $30. What's cost of living like?
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This was not an editorial by a professional writer, just an opinion... and we're all full of them:D It initially burnt my britches too, but then I understood his point. He was trying to justify the hard work involved and low compensation with our teachers, whom are in a thankless crappy job like us!
I wish more people understood what we REALLY do, what we REALLY face and how hard it is like you posted OP, but I wish more people were like the writer and posted about our issues and wish I could without reprisal from my employer. I wish we had more of him, just a bit more educated to us nurses.
That one persons view, initially posted locally is now being considered world wide because of you. We need more of both of you to get the public educated. Thanks for the food for thought.
Like the others, I want teachers paid $50/hr..... they are worth their weight in gold, we are too.