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traumaRUs has 27 years experience as a MSN, APRN and works as a Asst Community Manager @ allnurses.

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Have we become a nation of slugs, so offended by a simple old-time Christmas song that we want to ban it from the radio? Where does this leave us in real life? You are reading page 16 of Are We Too PC?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

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Back to the original post, I don't quite understand this part:

Where do patients fit in? Should patients expect all of their needs to be met? Where do we draw the line between being PC and enabling? When discharging patients from the hospital nowadays, follow up appointments are made, prescriptions electronically sent to pharmacies, perhaps home health arranged and other case management needs that are met. Then, the patient states, "I need a ride to my appointments." When did this become the responsibility of the healthcare system? While we are all striving to reduce readmission rates, when does the responsibility of transportation become the patients' responsibility? Or is it PC to say, "Oh I can get you a cab voucher"? Are we making healthcare too accessible?

 

As a nation, shouldn't we "man up" and be responsible for our own lives?

Is expecting needs (or wants) to be met considered PC? Certainly there are some basic needs are provided by a hospital: clean accommodations, nutrition, clear communication, etc. But in my opinion, once they are discharged, the hospital's obligation ends. Yes, of course, some people have little to no resources, so there may be services arranged for, but I don't know how many nurses have time to do that.

In my state, Medicaid will pay for a taxi to health care appointments.

Agreed. And it did concern me regarding the statement "Are we making healthcare too accessible?"

Um, no. In fact, rural hospitals are closing by the hundreds every year, making healthcare more and more unaccessible to vulnerable populations---thereby forcing that poor soul to ask..."can you get me a cab ride home?"

I am, however, unsure what these statements have to do with being or not being PC. My understanding of being PC in my facility is more on the lines disrespectfulness and incivility--where you don't get to even joke around with your bestie about being fat or skinny or white or asian or whatever...

I am all for that. Keep your personal opinion, unless I ask you for it. I didn't say you aren't allowed to have one, but that it may not be appropriate for you, probably an unknown to me person, to say those things. There are things even family members should not say to one another.

Overboard would be that whole "let's erase history" and tear down monuments because it makes us uncomfortable now. This is history, of historical significance. If you don't remember where you've been, how do you know you're not making the same mistakes in the future?

I recall there was a big thing about tearing down visible reminders of an uncomfortable past. But what about having the 10 Commandments on a stone tablet outside a courthouse is uncomfortable? Well...maybe to criminals...but I am not so sure that being reminded, whether it's a "Christian" thing or not....of how to treat our fellow humans is a bad thing.

What bothers me is that the reminders have to happen....at all.

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:no: Lil Nel is not a troll poster.

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Not_A_Hat_Person has 10 years experience as a RN.

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I have never understood why "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is considered a Christmas song.

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Overboard would be that whole "let's erase history" and tear down monuments because it makes us uncomfortable now. This is history, of historical significance. If you don't remember where you've been, how do you know you're not making the same mistakes in the future?

I recall there was a big thing about tearing down visible reminders of an uncomfortable past. But what about having the 10 Commandments on a stone tablet outside a courthouse is uncomfortable? Well...maybe to criminals...but I am not so sure that being reminded, whether it's a "Christian" thing or not....of how to treat our fellow humans is a bad thing.

What bothers me is that the reminders have to happen....at all.

I was with you until this. The argument for tearing down "reminders of an uncomfortable past," for example, statues of Confederate military leaders on government property, is that to keep a monument to them is to glorify them. That no one walks by a statue of Lee or Davis and says, "Let's not make his mistakes in the future!" A solution to this would be to put them in a museum, so that the reminder is there without taking up public space, which can be interpreted as an honor.

I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of the 10 Commandments. The argument against having a statue of those on state property is that it violates the separation between church and state, not that it is a reminder of an uncomfortable past. There are plenty of ways to promote positive ways to treat fellow human beings that don't involve mixing religion with government.

The thread has gone in a lot of different directions, but I still stand by my basic argument that the people arguing that we are "too PC" are generally white people who feel threatened that their way of life as the majority in this nation (and with it, layers of privilege that go all the way down to the rules of what's acceptable in everyday conversation) may be coming to an end.

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Sorry that you seem to believe that there is any such thing as "separation of church and state". Take a hard look at the money you use every single day.

United States of America. US issued legal tender. IN GOD WE TRUST.

I didn't mention Confederate anything. Ever. I lived in the south for some time...and believe me...I heard enough back handed and sly slurs from both black and white. Don't try that schtick with me, that I don't understand and it's all white privilege that has the race problem. It goes both ways, and it's alive and well in the south.

The 10 Commandment comment....the POINT of that was not to debate separation legalities. It was to illustrate the idea that it's not a horrible thing for a stone tablet with 10 simple rules on it ---NO MATTER THE FRICKING ORIGIN---to be in public view.

If someone is SOsosOSOSOSOOSOSOSOSOSOooooooo offended that their eyeballs burn out of their sockets when they see...

Thou shalt not steal. In front of a COURTHOUSE...

you have far too much time on your hands in that case.

How about putting a lot of that righteous anger and offended-ness to use on....oh....providing a safe, clean, healthy environment for the human race to live on?

This PC stuff....a song....seriously. How about we stop the Yellow Vest Protesters in France...who are fighting for their very livelihoods and their futures....how much they really give a rat's rump about a song that can be twisted into any pretzel shape you want if you want it bad enough.

There is no reason that gentle reminders to those who were raised to believe that "anything goes and nothing matters"...is okay in society today. Misandry and misogyny have no ethnicity, race, religion or creed. Denying that date rape happens is a problem. A song about two consenting adults is not.

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Sorry that you seem to believe that there is any such thing as "separation of church and state". Take a hard look at the money you use every single day.

United States of America. US issued legal tender. IN GOD WE TRUST.

I didn't mention Confederate anything. Ever. I lived in the south for some time...and believe me...I heard enough back handed and sly slurs from both black and white. Don't try that schtick with me, that I don't understand and it's all white privilege that has the race problem. It goes both ways, and it's alive and well in the south.

The 10 Commandment comment....the POINT of that was not to debate separation legalities. It was to illustrate the idea that it's not a horrible thing for a stone tablet with 10 simple rules on it ---NO MATTER THE FRICKING ORIGIN---to be in public view.

If someone is SOsosOSOSOSOOSOSOSOSOSOooooooo offended that their eyeballs burn out of their sockets when they see...

Thou shalt not steal. In front of a COURTHOUSE...

you have far too much time on your hands in that case.

How about putting a lot of that righteous anger and offended-ness to use on....oh....providing a safe, clean, healthy environment for the human race to live on?

This PC stuff....a song....seriously. How about we stop the Yellow Vest Protesters in France...who are fighting for their very livelihoods and their futures....how much they really give a rat's rump about a song that can be twisted into any pretzel shape you want if you want it bad enough.

There is no reason that gentle reminders to those who were raised to believe that "anything goes and nothing matters"...is okay in society today. Misandry and misogyny have no ethnicity, race, religion or creed. Denying that date rape happens is a problem. A song about two consenting adults is not.

I'm not even sure where to begin with all of the incoherence in your rant here, so I'm not going to engage. Happy holidays!

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Sorry that you seem to believe that there is any such thing as "separation of church and state". Take a hard look at the money you use every single day.

United States of America. US issued legal tender. IN GOD WE TRUST.

I didn't mention Confederate anything. Ever. I lived in the south for some time...and believe me...I heard enough back handed and sly slurs from both black and white. Don't try that schtick with me, that I don't understand and it's all white privilege that has the race problem. It goes both ways, and it's alive and well in the south.

The 10 Commandment comment....the POINT of that was not to debate separation legalities. It was to illustrate the idea that it's not a horrible thing for a stone tablet with 10 simple rules on it ---NO MATTER THE FRICKING ORIGIN---to be in public view.

If someone is SOsosOSOSOSOOSOSOSOSOSOooooooo offended that their eyeballs burn out of their sockets when they see...

Thou shalt not steal. In front of a COURTHOUSE...

you have far too much time on your hands in that case.

How about putting a lot of that righteous anger and offended-ness to use on....oh....providing a safe, clean, healthy environment for the human race to live on?

This PC stuff....a song....seriously. How about we stop the Yellow Vest Protesters in France...who are fighting for their very livelihoods and their futures....how much they really give a rat's rump about a song that can be twisted into any pretzel shape you want if you want it bad enough.

There is no reason that gentle reminders to those who were raised to believe that "anything goes and nothing matters"...is okay in society today. Misandry and misogyny have no ethnicity, race, religion or creed. Denying that date rape happens is a problem. A song about two consenting adults is not.

Really?

Exodus 20:2-3

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods beforeme.

Excuse me? I'm not a Christian or a Jew. I don't worship Yahweh. I am not a slave from Egypt. The American constitution allows me have the freedom of worship or not. What does your god have any business in my citizen's right?

Exodus 20:4-6

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments

Wonderful. This is an awesome principle to make the public from a non Christian religion to obey your god, isn't it?

How about you? Do you delete all pictures on your phone and facebook account?

Do you want me to go on? You think that the rest of us, the PC folks, are ignorant of your religion?

I personally don't care if you want the 10 commandment to be posted outside the courtroom or government's office. Have it your way. However, stop insulting us, non Christians, with the idea that your 10 commandments are somehow the cornerstone of American society, where freedom of religion means freedom of religion, not freedom of only Christianity.

This is not about being offended. This is about my right as an American citizen not to be coerced into supporting a religion that conflicts with my values.

Do you think that those 10 commandment monuments are just there because some anonymous Christian donates his money to keep them?

My tax from my hard work is also involved in keeping this monument to support a deity who threatened me, a non Christian, and my children and grandchildren for worshiping a different deity and taking picture. And you want me just to look pass that? Are you serious?

Infrastructure, education, healthcare, compensation are shared values among every American citizen. I have no problem paying a higher tax to benefit other people. However, Christianity is your religion, not mine. Therefore, don't lecture on me about "putting a lot of that righteous anger and offended-ness to use on....oh....providing a safe, clean, healthy environment for the human race to live on".

Worshiping your vengeful god does not help me provide a safe, clean, healthy environment for the human race to live on. That will make me become a Christian theocrat.

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I'm not even sure where to begin with all of the incoherence in your rant here, so I'm not going to engage. Happy holidays!

Glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't understand the inconsistent rants of the poster you quoted.

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kbrn2002 has 25 years experience as a ADN, RN and works as a RN Supervisor.

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Given our insensitive past a cultural shift was and in many places and settings still is very much needed. That being said I can't agree with the current trend of lambasting a stand up comedian for something that they said years ago. While those racially charged or sexual orientation based jokes are and in my opinion were in poor taste and rarely if ever actually funny those terms were a normal part of speech at that time. As societal awareness grew the use of offensive terms in comedy and entertainment has mostly diminished but I do still feel it's unfair to derail a successful career over an off color joke that was told years ago when those offensive terms weren't considered as unacceptable as they are now.

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On 12/22/2018 at 10:13 PM, HomeBound said:

The 10 Commandment comment....the POINT of that was not to debate separation legalities. It was to illustrate the idea that it's not a horrible thing for a stone tablet with 10 simple rules on it ---NO MATTER THE FRICKING ORIGIN---to be in public view.

Many 10 Commandments displays were erected in the 1950s to promote the movie "The Ten Commandments".

https://www.chron.com/entertainment/movies/article/Ten-Commandments-went-from-film-to-stone-1674007.php

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On 12/22/2018 at 4:42 PM, nursej22 said:

Back to the original post, I don't quite understand this part:

Where do patients fit in? Should patients expect all of their needs to be met? Where do we draw the line between being PC and enabling? When discharging patients from the hospital nowadays, follow up appointments are made, prescriptions electronically sent to pharmacies, perhaps home health arranged and other case management needs that are met. Then, the patient states, "I need a ride to my appointments." When did this become the responsibility of the healthcare system? While we are all striving to reduce readmission rates, when does the responsibility of transportation become the patients' responsibility? Or is it PC to say, "Oh I can get you a cab voucher"? Are we making healthcare too accessible?

 

As a nation, shouldn't we "man up" and be responsible for our own lives?

Is expecting needs (or wants) to be met considered PC? Certainly there are some basic needs are provided by a hospital: clean accommodations, nutrition, clear communication, etc. But in my opinion, once they are discharged, the hospital's obligation ends. Yes, of course, some people have little to no resources, so there may be services arranged for, but I don't know how many nurses have time to do that.

In my state, Medicaid will pay for a taxi to health care appointments.

Wow, what state are you in and how much do you think those rides cost the state (taxpayers)?  I don't begrudge the rides for those who truly have no other means to get to appointments, but I have seen patients call an ambulance  911  to get to the ER when there was no need from a medical perspective.  The issue was an AIDS pt not feeling too well, but instead of calling his friend to take him to the ER as he usually did, he straight off called an ambulance.  I was his private duty RN at the time and he did it before I could say anything.

That seemed unnecessary and a taxi seems unnecessary if a person could get by with a medical transportation service, a bus, or a buddy/family member.  So he stuck the insurer with the expense.  I am no fan of insurance companies, but I understand some of why their costs have to be reined in.

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On 12/22/2018 at 10:00 PM, kbrn2002 said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Not_A_Hat_Person said:

Many 10 Commandments displays were erected in the 1950s to promote the movie "The Ten Commandments".

https://www.chron.com/entertainment/movies/article/Ten-Commandments-went-from-film-to-stone-1674007.php

So? The 10 Commandments are carved into the doors (I think its the doors) of the Supreme Court building. They're all over Washington, DC. Like it or not the origin of the United States was in the context of a very specific religious world view. Change that, change the US. Not claiming something else would not be better, but if you remove that context, you own whatever comes next..

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