I posted several weeks ago. I am a new LNA and managed to get a job on a critical care floor working nights. I was called, interviewed and hired despite having no experience. When I went in to start work my Nurse Educator expected that I would be available days to orientate; I was not and had made HR aware of this. Apparently, the message never got through. So I orientated 3rd shift-my normal shift.
Well the floor has been very quiet and the Nurse Educator is concerned that I will not be able to cope when it gets super busy. I caved and agreed to orientate some days this week so that (in her words) I could do things like a "bed bath". I am kind of surprised as I do not expect to be doing too many bed baths between 11pm and 7am, but I digress.
At first the complaint was that I did vitals too slowly. I managed to speed those up.Then I was speaking in too soft a voice for the patients (Sorry but I do not believe in yelling unless someone is hard of hearing) I have done everything asked of me with a smile on my face but I have to admit that I am getting irritated. Either these folks want me or they don't want me. I want to be a nurse and am now feeling like a loser....I mean, if I can't cut it as an LNA then can I make it as a nurse?
I agree, Blackheartednurse how did you get from you are lucky to get a job to I'm jealous of new grads.
I just had to start over as a RN (previously a LPN) in a new job...and I hope I never had to do it again. I like being an old pro, not a new grad.
Well I did not put words in my preceptor mouth... She was the one made comments about how lucky I was to get a job with "only" an ADN degree.I thought it was innapropiate for her to flaunt her BSN degree at from of my face--both either ADNs and BSN nurses take the same exam.Also she was always talking about (and I mean literally everyday about dieting (she was kind of on a chunky side) and yes I often felt she fitted into nurses eat their youngs category despite being young women herself...I mean she humiliated me on number of ocassions--like I said before talking constantly behind my back,making several rude comments such as " I dont know anything","you must come from a lousy school" but the best one...check this out she actually questioned the credibility of my school..She send her spy ( another nurses who happend to be from the same city as I was) to question me what school i cam from,where I did my clinicals,what the ****??? Instead of spending her extra efforts to teach me she preferred to spend her time on engaging herself into childish games..Not even in my worst nightmares have I ever though I will have to deal with a preceptor from hell...but I did adress my concerns with my ex manager (I actually called my manager yeserday and told her my side of story that I never had a chance to speak about,my ex-manager wrote down my concerns and reflections and will adress those issues with her,I will not work there again but I think I did the right thing by letting the manager know for future grads!
I'm surprised you are surprised..This subject is very popular on this board..no matter how much you try you can not deny that nurses eat their young,you cant deny you havent see it or heard about it.
And I just have to say, I have never met so much " everyone hates me, they're all out to get me, they're just jealous, it's not my fault but all the nurses and my unit manager all want me fired for some strange reason" until I started posting here regularly. It's truly amazing how many students and new grads are fired or let go through absolutely no fault of their own, but because their supervisors and coworkers are bitter with chips on their shoulders.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I would bet dollars to donuts that 90% of the time, the stories we hear here are only 1/10 of the actual situation.
If you read my story in another thread than you will see I admitted my mistakes but I also felt that they treated me unfairly and my preceptor shoudnt have never been assigned to me. Yes I lacked a confidence typical of a new grad but instead of building my confidence my so called preceptor decided to get rid of me..like I mentioned I never put my patient life or safety in jeopardy,asked questions,did not make medical errors and always showed up an hour earlier before my time. My preceptor told my ex manager that she is not sure if I will be able to handle an ustable patient,that was main reason why they let me go..nothing set in stone if you ask me only what iffs
I'm surprised you are surprised..This subject is very popular on this board..no matter how much you try you can not deny that nurses eat their young,you cant deny you havent see it or heard about it.
I've been around in healthcare for 20 years and I've heard about it on this forum way more than I've actually seen.
Just because a subject is popular does not necessarily make it true.
I've been around in healthcare for 20 years and I've heard about it on this forum way more than I've actually seen.
Just because a subject is popular does not necessarily make it true.
'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
Well I experienced it first hands!! That is for sure!!
Usually there is a little true to controversial subjects!!
And yes agreed beauty is definitely in the eye of beholder but also beauty is universal and if you see someone attractive you cant help but to notice it!!
Waaaay off topic, but beauty is far from universal, hence the phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". What's attractive to me, may not be attractive to you.
Well I did not put words in my preceptor mouth... She was the one made comments about how lucky I was to get a job with "only" an ADN degree.I thought it was innapropiate for her to flaunt her BSN degree at from of my face--both either ADNs and BSN nurses take the same exam.Also she was always talking about (and I mean literally everyday about dieting (she was kind of on a chunky side) and yes I often felt she fitted into nurses eat their youngs category despite being young women herself...I mean she humiliated me on number of ocassions--like I said before talking constantly behind my back,making several rude comments such as " I dont know anything","you must come from a lousy school" but the best one...check this out she actually questioned the credibility of my school..She send her spy ( another nurses who happend to be from the same city as I was) to question me what school i cam from,where I did my clinicals,what the ****??? Instead of spending her extra efforts to teach me she preferred to spend her time on engaging herself into childish games..Not even in my worst nightmares have I ever though I will have to deal with a preceptor from hell...but I did adress my concerns with my ex manager (I actually called my manager yeserday and told her my side of story that I never had a chance to speak about,my ex-manager wrote down my concerns and reflections and will adress those issues with her,I will not work there again but I think I did the right thing by letting the manager know for future grads!
Sounds like she was just a b*^&^. Sorry you had to deal with someone like that. I can see how she attempted to make you feel like a ADN wasn't as good as a BSN...but still not seeing the jealousy of new grads there. But that is ok, she did enough as it is. In every type of work there are those that will tear you down and those that will build you up. Hope you find something better next time. I've had two great experiences with preceptors - once as a LPN and once as a RN - so I think the odds are with you.
Sounds like she was just a b*^&^. Sorry you had to deal with someone like that. I can see how she attempted to make you feel like a ADN wasn't as good as a BSN...but still not seeing the jealousy of new grads there. But that is ok, she did enough as it is. In every type of work there are those that will tear you down and those that will build you up. Hope you find something better next time. I've had two great experiences with preceptors - once as a LPN and once as a RN - so I think the odds are with you.
I often feel the odds are against new grads,we are vulnerable,thrown to wolves and make fun of and of course are scared to fight back.But as they said what wont kills us will make us stronger.
klone, i don’t want this to be a thread of seasoned rns vs. newbies but to answer your question: haven’t you heard of some management folks letting go of some seasoned nurses that are highly paid? they hire newbies and have them trained by seasoned rns and then they let go of seasoned rns because a newbie can do the same thing for maybe half the salary…..maybe they don’t have the same years in experience…..but they can do the job too…..so yes, it happens…..it is reality…..sadly.
on the other hand, blackheartednurse, i do not believe that someone will be let go just because she is attractive. the preceptor may be unkind and unwelcoming but what's important is to learn from the experience, do not do the same errors again, and on your part, reflect on your short-comings, take responsibility for your actions, and stop blaming others for all the not-so-good things that happened.
oh no you di'int!
now i've heard it all.
why on earth would seasoned nurses be jealous of new grads? less experience, less confidence and less money. um...no thanks.
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
Well I did not put words in my preceptor mouth... She was the one made comments about how lucky I was to get a job with "only" an ADN degree.I thought it was innapropiate for her to flaunt her BSN degree at from of my face--both either ADNs and BSN nurses take the same exam.
Perhaps the hospital is a magnet hospital or is working towards magnet status. Yes, ADNs and BSNs take the same exam, but lots of hospitals prefer that their nurses have BSNs, and/or have to/want to hire a certain percentage of BSNs over ADNs. That's not 'rubbing your face in it" it's just a fact of life (and I have an ADN, lest you accuse me of just feeling or trying to flaunt my degree).
As a regular preceptor I'm sorry to hear that you feel that you were treated that way. I know part of my role is to try to get my preceptee (whether be a new grad or transfer) integrated into the floor community. That being said I have to ask if you voiced your concerns and feelings directly to your preceptor. If I ever was orienting someone and they were uncomfortable or felt I was being condescending, I'd hope they'd have the intellect to follow the chain of command which means talking to me first. It may have just been a misunderstanding, or a clash of personalities, if she was truly malicious I'd hope they would not let her orient people. I truly feel that preceptoring is an honor and should be treated as such by all parties involved.
To the OP imo, they are trying to get you adjusted to the floor. It is not uncommon for everyone at our hospital to orient on both days and nights to try to eliminate some of the biases that inevitably occur. I work nights, although we don't have aids as its all primary care, you'd be astounded by the number of bed baths you give, unfortunately patients make a mess day or nights and sometimes a quick wash just won't cut it. Also a lot of patients like to be washed prior to undergoing procedures and that usually falls onto nightshifts responsibilities. Good luck and try to keep your head up! :)
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
I never heard the phrase "nurses eat their young" until I started to read things about it on this site in 2004. I hate it with a passion, but that's probably because I don't care much for cannibals and black widow spiders.
I hope I don't bore everyone to death by saying this, but I have definately seen a huge shift in the way new grads now view their first job experience compared to the olden days. It never occurred to me that my success or failure as a new nurse was up to anyone other than me. I do understand technology and patient acuity may be so radically different from what you would see 20 or more years ago, but it's as much an attitude thing as anything else. LVNs and RNs went through the same orientation then, also.
And we had to walk to the hospital in a roaring blizzard. Uphill. Both ways (credit to Bill Cosby on that one)
Blackheartednurse- I read your entire 6 page I got fired thread in which you responded to almost everybody, never mentioning the issue of your attractiveness, so I think people are being too hard on you about that, because it's not a balanced view of your feelings. You moved 300 mi. for that job. I'm sorry things didn't work out.
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Well I did not put words in my preceptor mouth... She was the one made comments about how lucky I was to get a job with "only" an ADN degree.I thought it was innapropiate for her to flaunt her BSN degree at from of my face--both either ADNs and BSN nurses take the same exam.Also she was always talking about (and I mean literally everyday about dieting (she was kind of on a chunky side) and yes I often felt she fitted into nurses eat their youngs category despite being young women herself...I mean she humiliated me on number of ocassions--like I said before talking constantly behind my back,making several rude comments such as " I dont know anything","you must come from a lousy school" but the best one...check this out she actually questioned the credibility of my school..She send her spy ( another nurses who happend to be from the same city as I was) to question me what school i cam from,where I did my clinicals,what the ****??? Instead of spending her extra efforts to teach me she preferred to spend her time on engaging herself into childish games..Not even in my worst nightmares have I ever though I will have to deal with a preceptor from hell...but I did adress my concerns with my ex manager (I actually called my manager yeserday and told her my side of story that I never had a chance to speak about,my ex-manager wrote down my concerns and reflections and will adress those issues with her,I will not work there again but I think I did the right thing by letting the manager know for future grads!