Anyone have a nursing supervisor require you to work while sick?

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I got a case of bronchitis in June. I missed 2 days of work, was easily covered, and had a doctors note. Our hospital's policy clearly states we are not allowed to work if our temp. is over 100.5, we've had n/v, and are generally ill. We are required to have a doctors note to come back to work. The day I came back to work and handed in my note, my supervisor called me to her office and told me a doctor's note was unacceptable and wrote me up for missing two days of work. I was floored! Nurses with more tenure had recently missed several weeks of work and there were no issues.

On July 3rd, the bronchitis got so bad it led into pneumonia and I ended up being a patient in the ICU. I was released a week later and was told to come back to work 5 days after being so sick (I also was anemic and received 2 units PRBC's). My doctor had not authorized me to go back to work, however, because of the earlier circumstance of being told a doctors note was unacceptable, I went to work. I had 18 patients that night, felt horrible, and it's a miracle I did not make a med error. As a result I was a bit slower than normal because I was triple checking each med and had 4 tube feeders and several patients with close to 20 meds a piece.

That evening I had a patient refuse no less than 5 times her meds. Two were narcotics and she was not in pain. The other was a BP med and her BP was within normal limits. The other was gabapentin for neuropathy. She denied any pain or discomfort and therefore I did not bother her again until 5 a.m. when she had a narcotic due. She then freaked out on me because she had not taken her narcs all night (although she denied pain and was constantly sleeping). She went to my supervisor and complained that I was "making the decision to withhold her meds. My super called me to her office the next day and reamed me out. I pointed out that first of all our philosophy is our residents have the right to refuse their medication after the nurse gives them an informed reasoning for taking the meds. My super refused to believe me and filed a grievance against me with the board of nursing. Needless to say, I resigned my position. I will point out that in the MAR many nurses had notated on most evenings this patients refusal of her evening meds.

I went through an interview with the board of nursing and they felt I handled the situation appropriately and did all I could to get this resident to take her meds. There was evidence that I did her Medicare assessment. In addition I gave out meds to 17 other patients. Why would I single this patient out???? The board of nursing actually is disciplining my supervisor for requiring me to come back to work without a doctors release. In addition, I was told that I should NEVER work while sick. I knew this but my job was threatened. The board was great and said that I had been put in a difficult position but to call in if ill. It's easier to find a new job than it is to get my license back :)

Sorry for the novel but this whole situation ****** me off. Has anyone had a similiar situation? Could I have done anything differently? I'd LOVE some advice for my new job!

Thanks, Jenn

Specializes in Adult Health.

I did have a supervisor who told me to come in to work sick, which I did because I'd been there less than 90 days. Then I spent a week in bed and had to come back with a note from the PA I saw. Now when I'm sick enough to call in, I go to the local walk-in clinic and let them assess me. The last time--in July--I was sick with the stomach flu. The FNP I saw gave me a note not to go back until my fever had broken and I was afebrile for 24 hours after. The staffing coordinator yelled at me, but the DON and HR were great about it.

Isabel

Specializes in Cardiac, Med-Surg, ICU.

Let us all remember that in this upcoming season of swine flu, the government itself is encouraging employees to not go to work with fever & URI symptoms for the good of the nation. I predict this will wind up challenging some attendance policies currently in place, at least until this current pandemic eases.

I hope you are right, but from what I have seen, you could be in the ER for major traumatic injuries, and my hospital wouldn't care. You'd still be written up for being absent. Oh and although they require a physician's note if you've missed more than 3 shifts, you are still punished for being absent.

Specializes in dialysis (mostly) some L&D, Rehab/LTC.

I've missed 2 days in 2 years so they can kiss :kissmy butt if I ever call in!

Specializes in Home Health, Geriatrics.

I am so glad that this has a good outcome for you. I am also happy that your ex-supervisor is going to take heat for her bad decisions.

I had a DON threaten to fire me if I didn't show up for work when I had a temp of 103.5. I told him to fire me and I hung up the phone. Needless to say after several days of being away from work he was crying for me to return.

Our hospital only allows 3 sick days a year.......get this........I had a allergy reaction to some medication I was taking while working. I was sent home around 10pm, it was counted as an absent....thats right! if you leave before 1p or 1a, depending what shift you work........it will count as an absent...........and if you leave after 1a or 1p its an tardy. I have used my sick time....had a huge pollen URI.Im from florida and just moved up to NC.......big mistake!!! but, yes we all have to go to work sick , cause we all have been written up....I feel sorry for those single moms and the married ones too......when you have sick children..work just don't care. Its leaving many moms stress out

That evening I had a patient refuse no less than 5 times her meds. Two were narcotics and she was not in pain. The other was a BP med and her BP was within normal limits. The other was gabapentin for neuropathy. She denied any pain or discomfort and therefore I did not bother her again until 5 a.m. when she had a narcotic due. She then freaked out on me because she had not taken her narcs all night (although she denied pain and was constantly sleeping). She went to my supervisor and complained that I was "making the decision to withhold her meds. My super called me to her office the next day and reamed me out. I pointed out that first of all our philosophy is our residents have the right to refuse their medication after the nurse gives them an informed reasoning for taking the meds. My super refused to believe me and filed a grievance against me with the board of nursing. Needless to say, I resigned my position. I will point out that in the MAR many nurses had notated on most evenings this patients refusal of her evening meds.

I went through an interview with the board of nursing and they felt I handled the situation appropriately and did all I could to get this resident to take her meds. There was evidence that I did her Medicare assessment. In addition I gave out meds to 17 other patients. Why would I single this patient out???? The board of nursing actually is disciplining my supervisor for requiring me to come back to work without a doctors release. In addition, I was told that I should NEVER work while sick. I knew this but my job was threatened. The board was great and said that I had been put in a difficult position but to call in if ill. It's easier to find a new job than it is to get my license back :)

Thanks, Jenn

I'm glad you were vindicated, Jenn, but I'm just astounded that you were reported to the Board in the first place.

I'm also curious about the circumstances surrounding this incident, meaning that a patient who refused her meds turned around and claimed that you withheld them. I've had some patients refuse meds a couple of times already, and I was taught to circle my initial on the MAR and document the refusal in their chart. The idea that a patient could turn around and claim that I didn't offer her the meds, when I have documentation that clearly states she refused them numerous times (not to mention being reported to the Board!) is ridiculous. Doesn't the documentation of the mulitiple refusals protect us nurses when a patient later claims that we didn't offer her the meds?

Specializes in Gerontology, nursing education.

Yes, I've had nursing supervisors talk me into coming to work when I've been sick. One time I had a bad cold and was assigned to an immunosuppressed patient. I asked the charge nurse to please reassign me for the patient's safety and she refused. Despite careful hand washing and my wearing a mask, the patient got sick. Go figure!

I know a nurse who was pressured by her DON to come to work two days after she'd had a D & C after a miscarriage. Of course, she made the "mistake" of having her surgery on a Wednesday and was assigned to work Friday night shift. :angryfire Same DON told me to schedule surgery at a time when I was not going to be working that weekend, even through I had advised her of the surgery well in advance of the schedule even coming out. The surgeon was only available every other week so I could not have my surgery on my weekend off. I quit, thank goodness, because I recently had foot surgery and I am sure she would have had a conniption had I needed to be off work while on weight-bearing restrictions and my foot in a bandage.

BTW, here's a somewhat related thread if you all haven't yet seen it.

https://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/weekend-make-up-423479.html#post3859442

Specializes in Gerontology, nursing education.
My physician called my super. She did not listen to a word he said. However, I met with the head of HR and was told I would be given a positive reference, and when I had a doctors clearance, I could come back and apply. Over my dead body!!!!

I don't blame you one bit. It is not only a question of your health but of the safety of your patients. You could have gotten any of them sick. How would that have helped their recovery process? What makes it worse is that you work in ICU---how much sicker do ICU patients need to get?

The situation in our hospital w/ admin is so bad that a rad tech who was fired the day before Thanksgiving last year showed up two days later and shot and killed one of his supervisors and critically wounded his direct super. This was tragic but gives you an example of the kind of back up and support employees get from admin. I was in the ICU that day and saw the police shoot and kill the ex-employee from our window.

I am so saddened by what happened at your place of work. That must have been horrifying for all of you that day. Perhaps the situation could have been avoided had administration been more empathetic toward the employee, perhaps not. It is tough to know how someone will take something like termination but I think many people become so cut off from the feelings of others they don't have a clue as to how to soften the blow of job loss for whatever reason. It also sounds like that employee had problems that were so severe that no one in HR could have done anything, but then again, it's all 20/20 hindsight.

Since when did non-profit hospitals become run by bean counters? Grrrrrr. I will NEVER work there again.

Unfortunately, longer than most of us have been nurses---or even on the face of this earth. It is very frustrating to do direct patient care and see your work impacted by people who have no idea about the realities of the bedside---or even the realities of having live, human beings take care of others. Maybe the bean counters will have us all replaced with robots someday and they can be content to only worry about maintenance and keeping their machines running.

Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.

after feeling horrible and getting worse, i finally went to my pcp, and was diagnosed with pneumonia. i called off for rest of the week (three shifts.) on the second day, i had just fallen asleep and my supervisor called and said i'd be terminated if i didn't come in right then. my temp was 103.5 and i refused.:eek: she called again and i refused again. when i was well again and my temp was normal, i went back. the payback was that she was out with the same thing and her supervisor had told her to come in and she had... she was in her office and looked awful.:rolleyes: paybacks are a ... etc.

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

I got a case of bronchitis in June. I missed 2 days of work, was easily covered, and had a doctors note. Our hospital's policy clearly states we are not allowed to work if our temp. is over 100.5, we've had n/v, and are generally ill. We are required to have a doctors note to come back to work. The day I came back to work and handed in my note, my supervisor called me to her office and told me a doctor's note was unacceptable and wrote me up for missing two days of work. I was floored! Nurses with more tenure had recently missed several weeks of work and there were no issues.

On July 3rd, the bronchitis got so bad it led into pneumonia and I ended up being a patient in the ICU. I was released a week later and was told to come back to work 5 days after being so sick (I also was anemic and received 2 units PRBC's). My doctor had not authorized me to go back to work, however, because of the earlier circumstance of being told a doctors note was unacceptable, I went to work. I had 18 patients that night, felt horrible, and it's a miracle I did not make a med error. As a result I was a bit slower than normal because I was triple checking each med and had 4 tube feeders and several patients with close to 20 meds a piece.

That evening I had a patient refuse no less than 5 times her meds. Two were narcotics and she was not in pain. The other was a BP med and her BP was within normal limits. The other was gabapentin for neuropathy. She denied any pain or discomfort and therefore I did not bother her again until 5 a.m. when she had a narcotic due. She then freaked out on me because she had not taken her narcs all night (although she denied pain and was constantly sleeping). She went to my supervisor and complained that I was "making the decision to withhold her meds. My super called me to her office the next day and reamed me out. I pointed out that first of all our philosophy is our residents have the right to refuse their medication after the nurse gives them an informed reasoning for taking the meds. My super refused to believe me and filed a grievance against me with the board of nursing. Needless to say, I resigned my position. I will point out that in the MAR many nurses had notated on most evenings this patients refusal of her evening meds.

I went through an interview with the board of nursing and they felt I handled the situation appropriately and did all I could to get this resident to take her meds. There was evidence that I did her Medicare assessment. In addition I gave out meds to 17 other patients. Why would I single this patient out???? The board of nursing actually is disciplining my supervisor for requiring me to come back to work without a doctors release. In addition, I was told that I should NEVER work while sick. I knew this but my job was threatened. The board was great and said that I had been put in a difficult position but to call in if ill. It's easier to find a new job than it is to get my license back :)

Sorry for the novel but this whole situation ****** me off. Has anyone had a similiar situation? Could I have done anything differently? I'd LOVE some advice for my new job!

Thanks, Jenn

Wow, Jenn..That just plain sucks. I can't be of much help, but just wanted you to know there's people out here that are thinking of you and want to wallop (yes, I said wallop) the crap out of your sup for you. ;)

Specializes in Operating Room Nursing.

I'm just flabbergasted reading this thread. There is something wrong with a system that allows managers to threaten to fire people who are genuinely ill and have doctors orders.

In Australia it is illegal for any workplace management to even question whether a medical certificate. You cannot override a doctors orders. They can request a second opinion from another doctor but are not allowed to threaten to terminate you over it.

If someone dared threaten to fire me or any other nurse because of being too ill to work our union would be involved immediately.

I might be flamed for this but it's ridiculous coming in sick anyway. If you make an error of judgement because so and so threatned to fire you for not coming in and your sick do you really think that the person who made you come into work is going to back you up? Ha!

Specializes in Oncology.

I can't imagine working in a facility that cares so little for their nurses and patients. Don't you guys have unions?

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