Anti Vaxxer I Knew Became A Nurse

[RitzyCinnamonRoll]

A vapid person too.

This shouldn't be a thing.

American society is such a joke.

[toomuchbaloney]

subee said:

Wow.  Just stunning.

These are perilous times. 

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - MLK Jr

[NutmeggeRN, BSN]

toomuchbaloney said:

They weren't approved by the FDA?

Why do you believe that Covid vaccination was an experiment on the public? Isn't it more of an experiment to suggest that people try and see if they can just acquire immunity through infection during a pandemic? Lots of those people died, developed long covid or discovered that acute viral illness can have all kinds of unpleasant consequences, like myocarditis, blood clots, and GBS. 

Stupidity was likely the biggest reason that people declined the covid vaccines.  In 2020 the biggest spreader of covid misinformation was the president of the USA. Millions of people believed the political opportunists who jumped on that bandwagon and published lots and lots of unscientific opinion and "concern" for those inclined to believe the POTUS. 

Acute care medical facilities have been requiring vaccines for staff since forever.  

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[Spidey's mom, ADN, BSN, RN]

toomuchbaloney said:

These are perilous times. 

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - MLK Jr

Hey, hello!  I rarely visit AN much but did today and of course this thread intrigued me.  

I see you are still on the ball TMB!  Good job on this thread!  

(I see I'm still considered a "Guide".  Thank you AN). 

 

 

[londonflo]

toomuchbaloney said:

What was spectacularly unprecedented was having the American president working against public health recommendations to mitigate the pandemic while spreading dangerous misinformation. 

And then he got covid, went on television struggling to breathe after he got the best healthcare in the world. 

[toomuchbaloney]

londonflo said:

And then he got covid, went on television struggling to breathe after he got the best healthcare in the world. 

He also personally spread his infection to other people, that sharing almost killed Chris Christie.  Prior to that he modeled irresponsible pandemic behavior, holding large rallies with no masking requirements.  Herman Cain attended one of those in Tulsa the Summer of 2020 and that was the end of him.  

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

londonflo said:

And then he got covid, went on television struggling to breathe after he got the best healthcare in the world. 

And yet he found the time to get spray tanned for the Mussolini-esque speech on the balcony.  All that fool had to do was participate in a PR campaign to get everyone vaxxed.  We would have been spared so much pain and financial losses.  Perhaps 25% of the medical and nursing force would not have chosen to leave their jobs.

[dsaprog, BSN, RN]

One of my professors in nursing school was anti-vax and participated in a protest against the university's policy to require she be vaccinated. She was in the local news saying she didn't believe the COVID19 vaccine is safe, that it's against her religion, and that it has not been tested for us to be able to know its long term effects. Last I checked she still works there so I am assuming they waived the requirement for her or she finally got vaccinated to keep her job.

[Kanani]

So are you saying people's personal belief disqualifies them from being a good nurse? When did nurses become like this? I have many coworkers who didn't get the COVID vaccine. That doesn't make them anti vaxxers or bad nurses. Their personal vax status I could give two F's about. Either you do your job well with the patients or you don't. I'm very disappointed in how hateful and despicable nurses have become. 

[toomuchbaloney]

Kanani said:

So are you saying people's personal belief disqualifies them from being a good nurse? When did nurses become like this? I have many coworkers who didn't get the COVID vaccine. That doesn't make them anti vaxxers or bad nurses. Their personal vax status I could give two F's about. Either you do your job well with the patients or you don't. I'm very disappointed in how hateful and despicable nurses have become. 

It sounds like you do give some "F's" about it.  

 

[heron, ASN, RN]

Kanani said:

So are you saying people's personal belief disqualifies them from being a good nurse? When did nurses become like this? I have many coworkers who didn't get the COVID vaccine. That doesn't make them anti vaxxers or bad nurses. Their personal vax status I could give two F's about. Either you do your job well with the patients or you don't. I'm very disappointed in how hateful and despicable nurses have become. 

I used to work in a small LTC facility. Back at the beginning of the pandemic, before the vaccine became available, our only option for protecting our residents was testing, masking, limiting visitation, and keeping symptomatic and covid+ staff at home. We remained Covid-free for a full year. ONE staff member returned from her vacation, came back to work already sick, and was observed doing patient care sans mask. Within a month, more than half our residents were dead. Most of our bedside staff were sick. We had one CNA left to work night shifts and two licensed nurses left to cover everything.

My point is, vaccination is really not a matter of "personal belief". It's an epidemiological harm reduction strategy that has long been shown to be effective in many infectious outbreaks all over the world.

Any nurse who consciously maximizes the possible harm caused by transmitting an infection IS a bad nurse. "Personal belief" has nothing to do with it. Belief =/= knowledge.

[ponderingDNP]

The problem I have with vaccines is the hypocrisy of healthcare organizations against its staff. I can present to the ER and be admitted (thank God for excellent health so I don't have to) for whatever reason and they will respect my rights to refuse vaccination all day everyday.

But let me be discharged home, don my scrubs, and return to the same hospital and it's "get this shot or get another job". Strong-arming because of the clothes we wear on a given day. This was my take on it
when only  flu vaccines were mandated  

That being said, I've had four COVID vaccinations and the annual flu shot. But the 'rights' thing is not right no matter how you slice it. 

[londonflo]

ponderingDNP said:

I can present to the ER and be admitted (thank God for excellent health so I don't have to) for whatever reason

If you indeed went to ER would you be in contact with other patients, beside in the waiting room? You would probably feel comfort that the ER staff will not pass COVID or any  other diseases  such as measles, mumps, rubella onto you since THEY ARE VACCINATED .

I agree, thank  God for your good health!. 

ponderingDNP said:

But let me be discharged home, don my scrubs, and return to the same hospital and it's "get this shot or get another job".

In a patient-centered, direct contact job you are coming into contact with patients with immunosuppressive disorders and other patients who have fragile health or many chronic diseases (this includes the elderly, infants, Patients in ICUs, and many more)  . BTW the scrubs do not spread the virus;  direct contact with a susceptible host does. That may be you. 

For patient direct- contact jobs: PS. there is no 'strong-arming' it, such as:

(to use force on) , you just do not have a job anymore.

When vaccination for Covid started, there were many RNs on here who owned their perspective on not getting vaccinated. They either left direct-care interaction with patients or developed/sought a non direct-patient care role. Have you looked at totally remote jobs (where you never go to an office or interact with another employee, patient etc. in person?)