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Newgradnurse17 has 2 years experience as a BSN.

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Does someone want to think of the child here? You can’t leave them like this, knowing there meds are being altered and are affected him. He needs help. And it’s your profession responsibility to help him  

Plus it something that will def fall back on yourself and most probably land you in a lot of trouble. Reporting this shouldn’t be the issue. 

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Wow, how crazy. PLEASE keep us posted....

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12 hours ago, Jory said:

She can take a drug test and if someone wants to accuse her of selling it?  Well, they need proof of that as well.  You can't get proof where it doesn't exist.  Wishful thinking doesn't hold up in court.

She has absolutely nothing to see an attorney about.  She needs to refuse to go back to the house and call CPS NOW!  This isn't even a difficult situation.   The liability she is referring to is if she pulls meds from a vial that is clearly diluted.  

The BON doesn't need anything more than suspicion to throw her into a program which will cost her jobs and thousands of dollars so yes she most definitely needs an attorney. Do you really think her employer won't throw her under the bus if they get investigated (which they will)? You can darn well bet they'll try to divert attention from their lack of follow up to the OP and they won't give a damn if they ruin her life in the process. 

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Persephone Paige has 15 years experience as a ADN and works as a Med-Surg.

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7 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

The BON doesn't need anything more than suspicion to throw her into a program which will cost her jobs and thousands of dollars so yes she most definitely needs an attorney. Do you really think her employer won't throw her under the bus if they get investigated (which they will)? You can darn well bet they'll try to divert attention from their lack of follow up to the OP and they won't give a damn if they ruin her life in the process. 

So true! And to anyone who thinks that turning the accusations of diversion, theft or sales around on the nurse is drama, or outrageous, I would say, "YOU don't know addicts." Someone is stealing this poor kids meds... they are attempting to hide it by watering it down. Everyone who has touched those altered bottles could be dragged into this mess... 

Call the Cops, call CPS, call an attorney and do not set foot back in that house. Sorry if that seems dramatic... I have a friend who is being accused of something similar. Addicts will go to any lengths to put the blame on someone else. 

I am in monitoring. I was never into diversion. My most favorite idea of a defense is check video, check omni cell records, check finger prints, check urine, hair... You can't steal something you've never touched. 

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From my prior experience with similar situations, get away from that employer, as well as that case, period.  Like yesterday.

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Been there,done that has 33 years experience and works as a case manager.

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Document  your suspicion with your employer. Get outta dodge.

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Jory has 10 years experience as a MSN, APRN, CNM.

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13 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

The BON doesn't need anything more than suspicion to throw her into a program which will cost her jobs and thousands of dollars so yes she most definitely needs an attorney. Do you really think her employer won't throw her under the bus if they get investigated (which they will)? You can darn well bet they'll try to divert attention from their lack of follow up to the OP and they won't give a damn if they ruin her life in the process. 

Actually, they do need more than suspicion.  I have seen more than one case where BONs have been sued by nurses for not performing due diligence on their own board....and won.  If you have a link to someone that had their license sanctioned where no proof/evidence was presented, I would love to see it.  I personally, have never seen one.  

I just don't know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that they will accuse the OP of diversion because she reported diversion.  She posted absolutely nothing about them accusing her of anything.  The biggest threat to her license right now is her failure to call CPS when it became clear her agency is doing nothing, not the meds. 

 

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4 hours ago, Jory said:

Actually, they do need more than suspicion.  I have seen more than one case where BONs have been sued by nurses for not performing due diligence on their own board....and won.  If you have a link to someone that had their license sanctioned where no proof/evidence was presented, I would love to see it.  I personally, have never seen one.  

 

I believe there are a few on this forum. Let's wait and see if one of them will speak up.

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7 hours ago, Jory said:

  I just don't know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that they will accuse the OP of diversion because she reported diversion.  She posted absolutely nothing about them accusing her of anything.  The biggest threat to her license right now is her failure to call CPS when it became clear her agency is doing nothing, not the meds.

The problem (suspicion) has been reported to the company before and it doesn't sound like they were in any way interested in protecting this child's best interest. There are professional-boundary-crossing aspects to staff's relationships w/ the mother, and a culture of gossip and distrust within the company.

This isn't a matter of jumping to any conclusions. It's a matter of knowing that people will go to lengths to protect their own interest in a threatening situation and the OP should at least be prepared for that. It wold be naïve to think this isn't going to get complicated in one way or another.

Yes, the failure to report this to LEOs and CPS the instant it was realized that the med was tampered with and diluted is a big problem at this point. I'm guessing the BON wouldn't be happy to hear about a scenario where there is an ongoing hx of administering obviously-tampered-with medication to a patient, either.

Suffice it to say there are things to consider here. And a lawyer is not a dumb idea for at least a couple of different reasons.

 

 

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Jory has 10 years experience as a MSN, APRN, CNM.

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Well, at $250/hr I would call CPS first and see what happens.  A lawyer isn't going to be able to advise you on a bunch of hypothetical situations that hasn't even happened. I do agree that failure to report is the bigger problem and she needs to do it TODAY.  

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Jory has 10 years experience as a MSN, APRN, CNM.

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5 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

I believe there are a few on this forum. Let's wait and see if one of them will speak up.

I don't go by this forum because not everyone tells the full story and a lot of myths get perpetuated.  Paperwork regarding disciplinary action is typically available on any BON website for public view. All anyone has to do is post a link.  

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Persephone Paige has 15 years experience as a ADN and works as a Med-Surg.

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The nurse is sticking around. That arouses suspicion. There is known stealing of medications, yes it has been reported to the company. That's great! Has it been reported to the pharmacy, the authorities, etc? It's good that the nurse reported it to the boss, but once it became clear that nothing was going to be done, don't stick around. The boss isn't in the house, the nurse is. And she's been coming back... That looks shady to the trained eye. 

I would like to say that I don't believe she's stealing the Valium. I mean, yuck! But, she's giving whomever is stealing it ammunition to say, "these nurses are in here all the time, why do they keep administering diluted meds unless they have something to hide?"

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