ADON job offered to someone outside & not me. Need opinion.

fluffwad · Oct 18, 2005

1. Was the position posted and did you apply for it? You won't be asked just 'cause you've been there a while.

2. a pending board investigation would almost automatically disqualify you in just about every place I've every worked.

3. If you hate the administration, it might show.........that'd cut from the list too

4. Some places want someone who already has management experience, and a certain type of personality. Being there for 4 years isn't enough.

5. Are you wiling to make that kind of comittment?...........the DON and ADON at my place are almost enslaved to it and work 60 + hour weeks.

Shell5 · Oct 18, 2005

1. Was the position posted and did you apply for it? You won't be asked just 'cause you've been there a while.

No, it wasn't posted, but it wasn't posted for the lady they called either. It's obvious it wasn't offered because I had been there a while because she wasn't even working there at the time. 2. a pending board investigation would almost automatically disqualify you in just about every place I've every worked.

I didn't see that posted anywhere.

3. If you hate the administration, it might show.........that'd cut from the list too

Could be true.

4. Some places want someone who already has management experience, and a certain type of personality. Being there for 4 years isn't enough.

I am the RN Supervisor and have experience managing others. 5. Are you wiling to make that kind of comittment?...........the DON and ADON at my place are almost enslaved to it and work 60 + hour weeks.

They do not work 60 plus hours a week. They don't come in to work when we are short. They just leave us short. ***************

fluffwad · Oct 18, 2005

no, it wasn't posted, but it wasn't posted for the lady they called either. it's obvious it wasn't offered because i had been there a while because she wasn't even working there at the time.

that means they probably weren't interested in anyone who works there now. unless you are working in a government job, or union shop your administration might not follow a specific policy about how they go about finding new management people. sometimes it just comes down to what your relationship with the management is like, what impression they have of you, who you know...............you can't count on administration to automatically look in the ranks for adon replacements. maybe they have no clue that you or anyone else would even consider it.

2. a pending board investigation would almost automatically disqualify you in just about every place i've every worked.

i didn't see that posted anywhere.

that's not the kind of thing that gets posted on a job listing........that's just the way it is. there are a lot of unwritten rules. in a lot places there is no set procedure.....

i can relate to what you are saying, we've been having issues with the don not treating staff like they're valued / appreciated. the adon position might symbolize that for you..........if the last adon quit without notice , you might not want to get involved with what is going on there, or work that closely with that don, and if you get ticked off quickly and don't like working with a lot of people the adon position would probably aggravate the crap out of you.

not all nursing homes are alike........a lot of it depends on who the managers are.

i just am tired of not being appreciated by my administration and don. amen!

maybe you need to find a place that does appreciate its people. this is something that has been on my mind for a while now....and the management seems to be at some kind of turning point where they are starting to realize that they can't go on treating people like idiots.

CHATSDALE · Oct 18, 2005

go to the don and ask that you be considered for the next opening...if they slough you off or if they say that they prefer you stay on weekends then try and find something else

you might be in a position to make a difference and change the direction of the ltc..might be the best thing that ever happen to the residents

bluesky, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2005

A union can't do anything when management is hiring management. They get to make their own rules and that's it. To be completely honest, maybe they didn't hire you because for whatever reason the relationship between you and the DON was never that good. Or maybe you're just too good at your current job for them to pull you out of it. Maybe they knew you were too smart and would rock the boat too much for their taste... maybe they were afraid of you. There are all kinds of possibilities. My general (albeit biased) observation is that only those willing to kiss as* and play politics get promoted to management in house.

Nascar nurse, ASN, RN · Oct 19, 2005

"I don't like working with alot of people and personalities because I have strong opinions and I get ticked real quick".

It is just my humble opinion, that if I was looking for an ADON, this would automatically disqualify you in my mind. I would easily get past the BON concerns, and the other stuff. As DON &/or ADON, not only do you have to deal with line staff, but families, vendors, physicians, other facility staff (ie; hospitals and other referral facilites), etc. And at some point (probably sooner rather than later) every one of them is going to tick you off. I would want a ADON that can approach these situations with tactfulness and grace rather than getting upset.. with both parties angry, the problem(s) (whatever it is) would never get solved.

Daytonite, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2005

my DON ignores me half the time. I don't guess I have ever really felt comfortable talking with her. There is something about her I don't trust. They are soooo dirty and rotten where I work. :angryfire Most people that have worked where I work see it. . .I love what I do and I love where I work, but I hate administration. . .They never asked me to be the ADON. . . .pending board investigation. . .I have taken responsibility and am just waiting for whatever the board sets for me. . .these to me are no reasons.. .I don't know if I want to be the ADON. . .I don't like working with a lot of people and personalities because I have strong feelings about things and I can get ticked real quick. I'm afraid I might go off on someone real easy. . .CAN I GET YOUR OPINION ABOUT WHETHER I SHOULD ASK OR NOT EVEN IF I WANT TO BE THE ADON OR NOT? . .the new ADON is gone. She quit without giving a 2 week notice.

I can tell this is a very upsetting situation for you. As someone who has been in management and supervision let me say first of all that if you don't trust the DON and you hate the administration they are not going to want to let you into the ADON position. Since you are already the RN supervisor it's reasonable to assume that your DON is aware of your work. I thought to myself, who else has this nurse been telling these same things to that she posted here, especially the part about hating the administration? If someone openly expresses those kinds of opinions to even one person in their workplace it is likely that at some point it will get spread around and make it's way back to the DON and others in administration. That will close the door to you as far as getting any promotion. Management can't have negative thinking people on their management teams, they just can't. When you are a part of management you just cannot sabotage your own group of peers by expressing opinions of hatred toward them. You just can't.

Not following the nurse practice act and awaiting discipline is not something that an employer would see as a feather in anyone's cap. It's really pretty shameful. The nursing home has laws it has to follow also. Punishment for nursing homes who violate the nursing home regulations are heavy fines and even revoking of their license to operate a nursing home. If someone has not followed the laws once, who's to say they won't do it again? The safest road for administration is to just not put someone like that in a position of leadership since they have proven their ability to make poor decisions. A person in a leadership position not only has to make decisions all the time, but they have to have a good compass with regard to common sense.

A manager has to be able to work with many different people with many different kinds of personalities. It goes with the job. "Getting ticked real quick" and "going off on someone real easy" are not positive attributes for any person in a leadership position. In fact, they shouldn't even be happening. Someone who can't control their anger has a problem. If these things have already happened and have gotten back to the DON and administration that would be seen as a negative attribute for a manager and close the door to a management position for anyone.

It sounds like the person who was brought in to be ADON was done at the direction of the administrator. The DON probably had no choice in the matter. The fact that the person left without notice after two weeks tells me that something was so wrong with the job that this friend of the administrator (you say) who was hand-picked for the job quit. That should send up red flags everywhere. This confirms that there are things that are wrong about this workplace, so your assessment of that sounds correct.

Anyone who wants to be in management has to have a positive attitude, believe the place they work is the best, and be supportive of those who supervise and manage them. Do you think you fit that description? A leader cannot participate in the gossip that goes on in a workplace and must actually do what they can to put an end to it because it undermines morale. Let me put this another way. Does any nurse like working with a nursing assistant who goes around crabbing about what a lousy place they work in, that they hate the job, hate the patients, hate the nurses, and they give everyone including the patients an attitude and can't get along with the patients or their peers? I don't think so. This is, in fact, a problem employee that most people would like to see gone. Do you see yourself fitting that mold? And, I'm sorry, but I just have to say this. . .why on earth would anyone want to work with a boss who they don't feel comfortable with and don't trust? That to me, is the biggest question of all.

Lisa CCU RN, RN · Oct 19, 2005

They do not work 60 plus hours a week. They don't come in to work when we are short. They just leave us short. ***************

I have to shout a big AMEN at this comment. I work weekend baylor at my facility and I have NEVER SEEN my DON. We have been short nurses and still she won't come in. I have worked day baylor at another nursing home and never saw the DON there either. Yeah, I know it's the weekend, but I worked plenty of shifts during the week and the DON didn't come in until 10:00 am and still left at 2:00 or 3:00 and don't even bother needing to talk to her. When I called to talk to her one time about changing my hours, she didn't get in until 11:00 and I ended up going there to talk in person--she was supposedly at lunch! Yeah right, the DON works 60+ hours.

CapeCodMermaid, RN · Oct 19, 2005

At the risk of being unpopular, I am, once again, standing up for management. I AM the ADNS at my facility. My DNS arrives at 9am and never leaves before 6pm. Some nights she is there until 8 or 9. I work as many hours as she needs me to. We both come in off shift if we are needed. I spent 35 hours there during the last big blizzard. Two weeks ago, there were 3 call outs, including the cook, in the kitchen. It was a Saturday. The DNS and I AND our ED arrived and cooked dinner for 142 residents. We peeled carrots, washed dishes, made the fish, chicken..you get the picture. We pitched in to get the job done. Please don't paint all management people with the same broad brush.

jsteine1 · Oct 19, 2005

Who gets promoted or hired into management positions is a complicated subject. Generally, they go outside instead of promoting internally because they do not see that they have a natural leader within the group. There are assigned leaders and natural leaders. Thats the go to person among peers who is consistently positive, seems to understand the goals of management and can be counted on to assist management indirectly with their can do attitude and inborn ability to positively influence others. They are not known to badmouth the employer or bring any negativity to the work group. Thats the kind of person who could make a successful transition from peer to supervisor. Also, promotions should never be a sign of appreciation or a thank you. The purpose of promoting someone is for the benefit of the facility;is to maximize the potential of the work unit with the individual who has the needed skill sets.

Shell5 · Oct 19, 2005

I get ticked when people are rude and unfair which is not all the time. I was only expressing a FEAR that I had of "going off" on others when upset. I wouldn't do it. Others here would be dishonest with themselves if they said they never thought about "going off" on someone when upset. With regards to the board incident, I made a mistake, not a fatal error that hurt anyone, haven't you? You just never got caught. I am not ashamed of trying to help a peer at all nor am I ashamed of myself. I am a wonderful nurse, a hard worker and a decent person. I am just sick and tired of this bull crap I see that is soo unjust where I work and it starts from the top. You are right about one thing.....I don't believe I do want to work with a boss who I don't trust. Thank you for helping me to see that and make that decision that I can't work with people who are dishonest with themselves and others and that cannot or will not see beyond themselves because they are too selfish. They don't come in to work to help out or they won't come in to help out. It's all about the almighty dollar and it's all about making them look good. It's not about the patient. That to me is sad and that is the biggest SHAME OF ALL. I definately believe in the nurses and aides I work with. I believe in the place I work at. I believe it can be a wonderful place, but when the DON has her daughter, son in law and the MDS Coordinator has her sister working there and they booted someone out of the job to bring her back the day before it is not a fair place to work. They have m-f, 7-3 positions. I'd be willing to bet they make more than the other CNA's also.

No, I don't tell others I hate administration. I know that is not appropriate. I express it here because I thought I could express my feeling without someones attemt at trying to make to me feel bad about how I feel. This is reality where I work. I don't know if I could do a better job. It is the principal of not being offered the position. The reason I wrote was to get it off my chest and to ask what others' opinion was about whether or not I should ask my boss why they did not ask me for the position because I wanted to know.