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Hi guys Iam new to this I am a student nurse graduating in Dec 2005 from adn program in Boston my question is what schools offer RN to MSN which schools would you consider Is there anyone in such a program that could give me advice Thanx Vanciala:)
Mr Bill. You are correct in essence that the BSN is not awarded so to speak. The RN to MSN programs I am aware of do this so students just "continue" through to the MSN.They are required to take plently of general ed classes on the way. I think that the route is just condensed and accelerate a bit. UCLA has or had a program like this one.
Thanks for the info!
Your explanation makes much more sense as I just couldn't figure out how they could "skip" the Bachelor's degree core academically.
I wonder if they have such a program for individuals with no RN but with an A.S. and a B.S. already in another field of science?
If anyone has any links to any of these RN-to-MSN programs and are willing to share them, please do!
Mr._Bill
ADN to MSN students still have to take all of the english and math and gov and hist and stats etc to meet the core education requirements for a BSN - and at some schools you actually get the BS about the time you are midway through the MS. What they do at TWU in Dallas/Denton/Houston is you get to skip undergrad patho and assessment and another class or two - but thats it. And frankly I think it's harder to take the grad level courses in those subjects without having taken the undergrad versions first - at least thats what a couple of people in that program tell me. It isn't a whole lot different at other schools in Texas that offer the ADN to MSN. You maybe save yourself a semster but at what cost knowledge wise?
As for experience - they require one or two years minimum fulltime experience before they will even consider letting you do that program - most of the people who they accept into that track are very experienced. They do offer a standard AD to BSN and then if you do the BSN there at TWU, they dont make you take the GRE to gain admission to the MS programs. I think they still require a year or so of experience for that track too though. I went that route and fared none the worse for it - I went into the BSN program with 11 years experience though.
Frankly - I'd look into taking a few courses now online through a university extension to get all of your core requirements out of the way. You can do that while you work and gain experience so that when you have a little experience under your belt, you'll be well prepared to enter a BSN program no matter which track you choose.
For those with Diploma RN's, UTHSCSA in san antonio will take your RN as an RN whether its an AD or a diploma. Most schools these days are moving in that direction is the impression I get.
The UNC school system here in North Carolina offers the RN-MSN option. Look into the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and click on graduate programs and also the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. They will even allow you to mail in your transcripts to see where you stand and they will let you know how many more classes you would need and what classes in order to be eligible. You have to have a years experience of working full time though. Good Luck.
Another program in western PA ...
An ADN program is an Associate of Applied Science degree and as such ignores much of the core requirements of a Bachelor's degree. For example, government, history, philosphy, sociology, arts, p.e.'s etc. The courses in the degree are MOSTLY nursing specific with the appropriate sciences and maths.
Mr._Bill
An ADN program is not necessarily an Associate of Applied Science degree. Some are and some aren't. I have an Associate of Science in Nursing not an Associate of Applied Science in Nursing. I had to take some of those other requirements such as humanities.
UCLA has an ADN-MSN program.
They give you your BSN in 1.5 years and your MSN in 1.5 years (total program is full time 3 years).
I was told its pretty possible to work full time during the BSN part, and you have to have at least 1 yrs experience before you start the program.
So I plan on having 1.5 years experience as an RN before applying to the BSN, and by the time I get to the MSN I'll have 3 years of experience.
To my knowledge, there is no such thing as an ADN to MSN program that eliminates the need for a BSN first.There may be some that include the BSN in the course of the program but you can't get a Master's in anything without having a Bachelor's first.
That is just how the world of education works.
Mr._Bill
The ADN to MSN program is offered to ADN graduates. You don't have to have a BSN to take it, or it would be a BSN-MSN program. You just need to have ADN and when you finish the ADN to MSN program you finish with a BSN and MSN. The University of Akron in Ohio offers it. I'm sure if you visit their website, there will be information about it.
The University of Wisconsin-Madison offers an ADN to MSN program. You need 2 years of work experience to be admitted. You must complete all the general education requirements for the BSN. You will receive credit for the introductory nursing courses when you complete a capstone course. While you are completing the BSN courses, you can elect to substitute about 15 graduate credits. You will be awarded your BSN and must take the GRE and apply to the graduate school for the MSN portion. By taking the substituted graduate credits during the BSN portion you could possibly cut the required MSN credits from 30 credits to 15 credits.
The 2 major hospitals here in Madison offer tuition reimbursement up to 15 credits a year. My plan is to complete my ADN at the local community college, work on my BSN and MSN once I'm licensed, and let the hospital pay for it! Fortunately, I've already got a BS in Public Health so I won't need to take the general education classes. I'm on the wait list for the local cc and I'm estimating a start date of January '08/ graduate December '09. If I take one or two classes per semester after I get my RN. I should have my MSN about 10 years from now! How's that for a long-range plan?:)
sharann, BSN, RN
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Mr Bill. You are correct in essence that the BSN is not awarded so to speak. The RN to MSN programs I am aware of do this so students just "continue" through to the MSN.They are required to take plently of general ed classes on the way. I think that the route is just condensed and accelerate a bit. UCLA has or had a program like this one.
I want to add that I do not personally belive that a nurse with no experience in nursing(ADN or BSN respectively) should be in a Masters program. I think that experience is undervalued in education today. A solid nursing foundation is essential. Just my opinion .(I am an ADN who has been working 4 plus years and am in a BSN program)