Acute Care NPs - To do a residency or not?

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I'm a dually certified ACNP/FNP. My goal is to eventually work in the ER. I have the opportunity to do a residency program at my hospital that covers multiple specialties: ER, ICU, trauma, nephrology, cardiology, orthopedics, neurology, infectious disease, endocrine, heme/onc, and palliative care. 

Pros: it's a full fellowship program with classroom instruction, rounds with teaching physicians in each specialty, exposure to all the departments in the hospital, excellent learning opportunity, chance to gain more confidence in diagnosis, procedures, etc.

Cons: the pay is "meh" compared to the workload, no time off during the program, geared for MDs/DOs (but they do take NPs/PAs), doesn't start until November (a little over 7 months from now).

For those who are current acute care (hospitalist or ER) NPs, do you think doing a fellowship as a new grad is necessary? Or do you feel that going right into the specialty I want (ER) would be a better route? I would love to hear opinions as I like to weigh all the pros and cons before making a big decision. I have until mid-April to make a decision.

Let me hear your opinions ? 

Specializes in New Critical care NP, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC.
On 7/26/2022 at 1:01 PM, SopranoKris said:

However, I was hired on as a hospitalist NP and will start Sept. 1st. I'm so excited. I wanted either ER or hospitalist and I'm thankful I get to start out in one of my top choices.

Congratulations and best wishes! I've been in my hospitalist position since January (although I didn't really start my actual job until March because of other trainings) and I really love it. Unfortunately, my position is being eliminated at the end of the month and I'll transition to the ICU. It's unfortunate that the residency didn't work out, but I think you'll really like hospitalist medicine, I love it. 

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Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.
On 7/29/2022 at 4:59 PM, Numenor said:

I mean that's cool and all but the residency would have been very very helpful. Maybe my hospital us more free reign than most though since all APPs had done one in the group. 

Hospitalist work has a high learning curve so ask if they can take it VERY slow

Must be nice to have optional residencies

Specializes in 11 YRS ER RN, 6 YRS Travel RN, New Grad AG-ACNP.
On 7/26/2022 at 12:01 PM, SopranoKris said:

Update: the residency program was cancelled. However, I was hired on as a hospitalist NP and will start Sept. 1st. I'm so excited. I wanted either ER or hospitalist and I'm thankful I get to start out in one of my top choices. I was also able to get the salary I wanted and excellent PTO/benefits. Can't wait to start ?

Hello there!

I started a new Hospitalist NP role last month. I have 13 years experience as an ER nurse. Let me tell you, this has been the most challenging transition I've ever encountered to date in my professional life. The learning curve is STEEP, and I was expected to take a full patient load (including admissions) within the first week of training. Mind you, I graduated in August 2020 and due to Covid, was not able to land a job. This is my first NP job and thank God I have a supportive team.

I also quit my PRN job in the ER because I just could not function flip flopping back and forth between provider and bedside RN, not to mention, internal medicine and emergency medicine. All those little things that didn't matter in the ER, matters now once the patient is admitted. 

My schedule is 7 on 7 off. I usually arrive to work at 8:30AM and look up my patients, the new admissions from the night before, who I can discharge by 11AM, reviewing AM labs, scan results, contacting consults, draft all my notes etc. I usually start my rounding about 11AM, and I'm usually done by 1PM. I usually start with about 12-14 patients a day, and this doesn't include new admissions during the day.

I also attend case management meetings every day usually for about 15 minutes giving them a run down on who can be discharged. I spend a lot of my time walking all over the hospital, as I have patients on several units in the hospital, not to mention, answering calls from nurses, pharmacy, other consults, etc. 

I'm usually done with my day around 5PM and I complete my drafted notes as I round. I do my billing from home. 

I spend a lot of time studying diagnosis and management of common diseases on my off days. I also give updates on my patients to the on coming NP for the week and I'm available for any questions she may have regarding the patients. 

Some days I feel like I got it, others I feel like a failure. My collaborating doctor tells me I'm doing great, but I just don't feel I'm giving adequate care most days. There's things I miss, or sometimes I make an unnecessary consult, which results in longer length of stay for the patient. Every day I go home stressed about missing something, or I'm worried about being called in the middle of the night by a nurse if my patient starts to circle the drain. These are things NP school just don't teach.  I've spoken with other NP's who have made the transition from ER to Hospitalist and they all said it took months for the stress to go away. 

 

 

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hospitalist? as a new grad?!

Specializes in New Critical care NP, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC.
On 8/16/2022 at 8:52 PM, NPdancer said:

I usually start with about 12-14 patients a day, and this doesn't include new admissions during the day.

That's a tough workload! I'm a new NP and my hospitalist role is overnight cross coverage with some admissions thrown in. My role has been covering anywhere from 30-80 patients overnight and usually doing 1-3 admissions in between. I love it. And I had a pretty good orientation, just over three months building up to taking all the patients. 

Daytime hospitalist is a whole new ball of wax. Not sure I would have been up for that challenge right off. Glad it's working out for you!

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On 8/6/2022 at 3:59 PM, Tegridy said:

Must be nice to have optional residencies

What happened to the new MDs, and PAs scheduled to do it? And the hospital/ school had not alternative plans? Do the maternity leaves last a year?

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The 2 main instructors for the residency will both be out on maternity leave at the same time. They cancelled it for this year.

 

Specializes in Hospitalist Medicine.
On 8/21/2022 at 6:31 PM, socal1 said:

hospitalist? as a new grad?!

I went to school to get a dual ACNP & FNP. We specifically trained for hospitalist, intensivist & ER. Yes, I'll be a hospitalist as a new grad. It's what I've trained for. I have a critical care RN background, which was a requirement of the program I attended. 

As a new grad, I won't be expected to just jump in without any training or orientation. Unfortunately, the residency/fellowship was cancelled this year due to the instructors being out on maternity leave. But I will still have a lengthy orientation since I'm a new grad. ? 

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8 hours ago, SopranoKris said:

I went to school to get a dual ACNP & FNP. We specifically trained for hospitalist, intensivist & ER. Yes, I'll be a hospitalist as a new grad. It's what I've trained for. I have a critical care RN background, which was a requirement of the program I attended. 

As a new grad, I won't be expected to just jump in without any training or orientation. Unfortunately, the residency/fellowship was cancelled this year due to the instructors being out on maternity leave. But I will still have a lengthy orientation since I'm a new grad. ? 

Just a note, I spent my entire career almost as a CCRN/ICU nurse, did not transfer over to a hospitalist role at all. Being a RN has nothing to do with being a NP, it's all about the education and the thousands and thousands of hours as a provider which prepares you.

At my hospital we practice at the top of our license per our admin and locums docs (99% independent) but I assume most places have decent MD involvement for safety reasons.

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1 hour ago, Numenor said:

Just a note, I spent my entire career almost as a CCRN/ICU nurse, did not transfer over to a hospitalist role at all. Being a RN has nothing to do with being a NP, it's all about the education and the thousands and thousands of hours as a provider which prepares you.

At my hospital we practice at the top of our license per our admin and locums docs (99% independent) but I assume most places have decent MD involvement for safety reasons.

thats one thing people seem to miss, being a 10 year ICU RN will help you know certain acute care skills, but if you have someone with SOB, you have to find out why, its not just crank up the O2 and Peep. you have to know what your are looking for, and treat it, not to mention would you even know what to look for?

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Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.

The only thing bedside nursing helped with is if some random clueless nurse starts a rant about how they think something we are doing is nonsense since then I can pull the I was a nurse card and you have no idea what you are talking about.  Since nurses seem to respect NPS more than residents most they time (which is odd bc most the hospitalist nps where I work are fairly clueless)
 

otherwise it doesn’t really help at all in day to day practice 

On 9/4/2022 at 1:08 AM, Tegridy said:

The only thing bedside nursing helped with is if some random clueless nurse starts a rant about how they think something we are doing is nonsense since then I can pull the I was a nurse card and you have no idea what you are talking about.  Since nurses seem to respect NPS more than residents most they time (which is odd bc most the hospitalist nps where I work are fairly clueless)
 

otherwise it doesn’t really help at all in day to day practice 

Unfortunate that they are clueless. Our PA/NP group is pretty well trained (all have done an APP fellowship) and respected by the MD attendings/residents alike to the point where they will ask for clinical advice.

I think RNs find the NPs more approachable (likely true) but yeah I pull the nurse card sometimes when they starting spewing BS.

My favorite is when they complain about their job and talk about going back to NP/CRNA school like its easier haha...

Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.
5 hours ago, Numenor said:

Unfortunate that they are clueless. Our PA/NP group is pretty well trained (all have done an APP fellowship) and respected by the MD attendings/residents alike to the point where they will ask for clinical advice.

I think RNs find the NPs more approachable (likely true) but yeah I pull the nurse card sometimes when they starting spewing BS.

My favorite is when they complain about their job and talk about going back to NP/CRNA school like its easier haha...

I think most of the good ones go into specialities in my area or work in the ICU. Can’t blame them less social stuff to deal with

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