A Ban=Bsn?

klone, MSN, RN · May 2, 2014

I have always been surprised at how little the average nurses knows about their own profession.

And I've always been surprised at how passive-aggressive nurses can be.

LuckyDevil2020, BSN · May 2, 2014

I have always been surprised at how little the average nurses knows about their own profession.

I find this comment pretty condescending. After reading the thread I feel like you are very defensive of this degree; do you have a BAN? If so, are you concerned that people don't take your degree seriously? If you siggy is any indicator it looks like you have a wealth of amazing nursing experience and nothing to feel defensive about. But, I could be interpreting your posts wrong.

The only two programs (in the USA) that I was able to easily find after a quick Google search were both in MN. Their program requirements are still heavy in the sciences, and look like great programs. Like everything new, this is just one of those things that will require some adjustment time before people in the greater nursing community are aware of the program and understand what it is. Just because it's a BA instead of a BS does not mean it's light in the sciences (at least this program isn't: http://wp.stolaf.edu/nursing/files/2013/10/MINC_ProgramPlanningSheet_10-22-2013-1.pdf) The only thing I think that pops out to me as missing is statistics.

As for the ADN - BAN bridge program I think this would be a good option, at least for me it would have been. My ADN was VERY science heavy, so I didn't have to take much at all in my BSN bridge program.

applesxoranges, BSN, RN · May 2, 2014

I asked for this too. I am very much looking forward to applesxoranges informing of the programs she knows about that require additional course work for BANs.
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I said I would be concerned of. Does not mean that I know of. I know from past experiences when I was a psych major the benefits of doing an arts vs sciences degree. The university made it clear that the risk of doing a bachelors of arts could lead to difficulty getting into graduate school if the student did not take enough science classes. The school itself did not cite examples as each graduate school is different in their requirements. It was a "buyer beware" situation.

However, I also pointed out that a lot of associate degree schools have a lot of undergrad sciences in my original post.

I'm drawing awareness to the importance of researching your choices like I make sure that the people who plan to do an associate degree program are aware of the risks of some programs not accepting them if they chose to do an RN to MSN or RN to BSN if the associate program is not ACEN accredited. I've seen multiple people complain that they were unable to get into a program because their associate degree was not from a school that was ACEN accredited at the time.

I am not going to sit there and try to guess which schools the person may choose to do. It is the person's own responsibility to research what schools they may choose will require for admission. I'm pointing out that they should research it if a certain graduate school is important to them. I know a local university is strict.

It is also important for them to research what the jobs around them are requiring too. I see job postings that say BSN preferred (I research job postings for my student nursing association for them to apply). Will they give the some credence to a BAN? Maybe, but they don't advertise that in the job posting. Once again, it's important for the person seeking a BAN to be aware of their area and future choices. I tell that to associate degree nurses too to look at what their area advertises if they do not want to consider moving after graduation.

I asked for this too. I am very much looking forward to applesxoranges informing of the programs she knows about that require additional course work for BANs.

No, PMFB-RN, you asked:

Why would you be worried about a RN with a BAN continuing on to grad school?

Completely different.

PMFB-RN, RN · May 3, 2014

I find this comment pretty condescending.

Ya, pretty much. I assumed that since certain people where posting in

a rude and condescending manner that their desire was to receive condescending replies. Here are some examples of what I am talking about.

from applesxoranges
Because some programs require a BSN and not a BAN unless the BAN completes additional undergrad work...

Here we have a person who admittedly knows nothing about BAN programs making false statements. Seems pretty rude to me.

Apr 28 by
[COLOR=#003366]applesxoranges
I would also be concerned about possibly continuing onto graduate school. I know with other degrees, if you did not take enough undergrad science classes they may require you to complete more.

Another inaccurate post. BAN prepared RNs have never had any difficulty being accepted to any graduate programs because of having a BAN instead of a BSN. I find this type of uninformed speculation unhelpful at best, and just plain rude at worst.

I don't think it would negatively affect you unless it would prevent Magnet status hospitals or those who wish to obtain Magnet status.

This statement demonstrates a lack of understanding of both Magnet and the BAN.

I find this posts, among others, to be particularly rude considering they were made AFTER the very useful and helpful post #2 of this discussion:

Apr 28 by
Esme12

Asst. Admin

BAN: a bachelor of arts with a nursing concentration.
Less commonly offered in colleges and universities, a BAN curriculum focuses more on liberal arts or humanities. You typically take the same nursing courses as BSN candidates, but your electives may be in subjects such as history and literature. With regard to advancing your education or profession, there is essentially no difference between BSN and BAN.

So AFTER ESME12 provides this very helpful education in the SECOND reply to the OP certain people continue to post things like I have provided examples of above. What could possibly be the motivation to say things like were said? Ignorance can be ruled after post number 2.

After reading the thread I feel like you are very defensive of this degree; do you have a BAN?

Nope.

If so, are you concerned that people don't take your degree seriously?

I don't have one, but I already know for a fact that the BAN is taken very seriously by employers and grad programs. Anxiety about being taken seriously would be absurd.

PMFB-RN, RN · May 3, 2014

No, PMFB-RN, you asked:
Completely different.

Uh, no

applesxoranges said this on post number 25:

https://allnurses.com/registered-nurses-diploma/a-ban-bsn-921143-page3.html

Because some programs require a BSN and not a BAN unless the BAN completes additional undergrad work.

I am interested in what programs you know of that require a BSN and only accept a BAN if they complete additional undergad work. I have asked for this twice now and another poster has asked the same thing.

smartnurse1982 · May 3, 2014

I know in the UK and some other European countries they do offer Ban degrees(in addition to Bsn).

smartnurse1982 · May 3, 2014

I said I would be concerned of. Does not mean that I know of. I know from past experiences when I was a psych major the benefits of doing an arts vs sciences degree. The university made it clear that the risk of doing a bachelors of arts could lead to difficulty getting into graduate school if the student did not take enough science classes. The school itself did not cite examples as each graduate school is different in their requirements. It was a "buyer beware" situation.
However, I also pointed out that a lot of associate degree schools have a lot of undergrad sciences in my original post.
I'm drawing awareness to the importance of researching your choices like I make sure that the people who plan to do an associate degree program are aware of the risks of some programs not accepting them if they chose to do an RN to MSN or RN to BSN if the associate program is not ACEN accredited. I've seen multiple people complain that they were unable to get into a program because their associate degree was not from a school that was ACEN accredited at the time.
I am not going to sit there and try to guess which schools the person may choose to do. It is the person's own responsibility to research what schools they may choose will require for admission. I'm pointing out that they should research it if a certain graduate school is important to them. I know a local university is strict.
It is also important for them to research what the jobs around them are requiring too. I see job postings that say BSN preferred (I research job postings for my student nursing association for them to apply). Will they give the some credence to a BAN? Maybe, but they don't advertise that in the job posting. Once again, it's important for the person seeking a BAN to be aware of their area and future choices. I tell that to associate degree nurses too to look at what their area advertises if they do not want to consider moving after graduation.
No, PMFB-RN, you asked:
Completely different.

Wow,you are a wealth of info!

I had NO idea about ACEN.

My school was only NLN accredited.

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · May 3, 2014

Wow,you are a wealth of info!
I had NO idea about ACEN.
My school was only NLN accredited.

NLNAC Changes Name to ACEN

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · May 3, 2014

one example of a BAN college

Professional nursing is predicted to be one of the most needed and flexible careers in the decades ahead. When you choose nursing at St. Olaf …
You will be preparing for nursing now as well as in the future
You will achieve flexibility and marketability in a variety of areas
You will be earning a liberal arts education along with your nursing major
You will be part of the Minnesota Intercollegiate Nursing Consortium
You will have clinical experience in both urban and rural settings
You will have the opportunity to study abroad through courses offered by St. Olaf, the St. Olaf nursing department, and the Gustavus Adolphus College nursing department.
After four years of study in the St. Olaf nursing programs, you are prepared to take the Minnesota Board of Nursing licensure examination, which certifies you as a registered nurse. With this registration and the bachelor of arts degree in nursing, you are fully qualified for professional practice or entrance into graduate school. Students are eligible to complete the licensure examination for registered nurses offered by the National Council of State Boards of Nursing, and, upon successful completion, can apply for certification as a public health nurse in Minnesota.

The Gustavus nursing program is part of the Minnesota Intercollegiate Nursing Consortium (MINC), which is a collegial association between the nursing programs at St. Olaf College and Gustavus. The Consortium offers students the opportunity to earn a Gustavus degree, enroll in nursing courses with students from both campuses, enjoy courses taught by professors from two colleges, and have clinical learning experiences in a wide variety of rural and metropolitan healthcare and community facilities. The program, which is accredited by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE), and approved by the Minnesota Board of Nursing (MBN), spans four academic years. During the first and second years, students complete prerequisites and general education courses. In the junior and senior years, they continue their liberal arts courses and complete the nursing courses necessary for certification

https://gustavus.edu/nursing/

Another these two colleges "work" together....

The Minnesota Intercollegiate Nursing Consortium (MINC), the nursing program at Gustavus Adolphus College working in cooperation with that of St. Olaf College, offers students the opportunity to enjoy a Gustavus education, earn a Gustavus degree, enroll in Nursing courses with students outside the major and from another college, enjoy courses taught by professors from two colleges, and have clinical learning experiences in a variety of rural and Twin Cities health care and community facilities. The program, which is accredited by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE), and approved by the Minnesota Board of Nursing (MBN), spans four academic years. During the first and second years, students complete prerequisites and general education courses. In the junior and senior years, they continue taking liberal arts courses and complete the Nursing courses.
By combining the values of the individual and a liberal arts background with the acquisition of professional knowledge and nursing skills, the program integrates development of the whole person, a commitment to lifelong learning, and service to others with a holistic approach to the practice of professional nursing.
The program, through an innovative design that integrates theory with practice and partners educators with professionals in practice, prepares graduates to provide and coordinate nursing care to individuals, families, and communities within standards of professional practice utilizing the Neuman Systems Model. Students learn to think critically, communicate effectively, and implement therapeutic nursing interventions within the socio-cultural, spiritual, and developmental context of patient situations.

https://gustavus.edu/general_catalog/current/nursing

pfchang · May 3, 2014

I have never heard of a BAN. With a Bachelor's degree in a non-health related field, I will be looking into whether this degree will be looked at in the same way as a BSN (which I don't have) with my employer. Any info from anyone in the same situation is appreciated. Although, above posts say it should be viewed similarly, I wonder what is happening in the real world. It may save me some time and money.

klone, MSN, RN · May 3, 2014

With apparently only a handful of schools offering it, and most of them from private colleges (I was born and raised in MN and am very familiar with both St. Olaf and Gustavus Adolphus), I would say it definitely would NOT save money to get a BAN.

pfchang · May 3, 2014

Thanks, klone. Forgot about the private college aspect. I was just thinking I may need fewer classes. You're probably right.