Bathroom accidents... - page 2
... are they really a nursing issue? I'm not talking about the kiddos that are legit sick with something acute or even chronic. I'm talking about the kids that just don't ask to go to the... Read More
Jan 11Quote from KeeperOfTheIceRNI started back in the days of only blood got gloves, they were too expensive for every contact.
Side note: if I learned anything from my hospital days, its that I will touch just about anything as long as I have gloves on!!
Jan 12I can understand it being a nurse issue if you assist with cleaning it up. However, if it is just a phone call home to the parents - is a nursing license absolutely necessary?
I am sure that other adults in the building have been trained in how to utilize the phone!
What if the nurse is dealing with an asthma attack? Does poopoo / peepee kid just sit there stewing in their own juices for 30 minutes until the nurse is free to pick up and dial a phone????
Sorry if I sound snarky!! I don't mind assisting any student with any task if am not busy. I have helped track down band instruments and delivered homework assignments, etc. However,ill and injured students get my attention first and that should not delay an uncomfortable child from being assisted by someone who is a the time available.
Jan 12Unfortunately I have an encopresis 4th grade student; new to us this year, that is driving everyone crazy. More psychological as per parents "had no accidents over holiday break." Student also does not do school work, claims to not know how to wipe correctly, and is motivated by nothing (school rewards). He comes to me on a schedule, but will have an accident when asked to complete something or there is a test. Removed from 4th grade bathroom privileges for acting weird to other students and we suspected was the culprit for smearing feces in the BR (since he lost his privileges there have been no more feces-BR incidents). Now he comes to me with a time left, time arrived folder. He was spending 30 minutes to change and leaving my bathroom uninhabitable, but now I monitor him in the bathroom across from my office where I can watch the feet and bark instuctions. He leaves to class and returns 10 minutes later (with a grin on his face) because he smells like poo. He has missed 14 hours of instruction time in 25 school days. I am going to suggest he earn his home XBox time by completing school work he can get 2 hours. Being honest about soiling and cleaning properly +1 more hour. Teacher and VP want pull-ups, but that won't help anything. Thanks for letting me vent .
Jan 12Quote from tiningAll the love to you, tining. Not much you can do if there's no motivation.Thanks for letting me vent .
I take it back - the kid is getting *something* out of this. Just because you and I don't understand what the *something* is, does not mean it doesn't motivate him. What does his private psychologist say? Because...yeah, this needs a specialist, given what you've said!
Hang in there.
Jan 12Parents referred, but did not bring pay stubs to verify income . . . sigh
BTW - our counselor states this is "above him" he has not pulled this child out for his social isolation, poor motivation, and dishonesty.
I agree with Ruby Jane the child IS getting something out of this, but I will never let him know that.
Jan 12Tining, just wondering - when this kid leaves your bathroom a wreck (assuming this is what you mean), do you make him accountable for it? I understand you can't have him cleaning with Sanitex or anything hardcore, but even if he were to wipe the seat down with a damp papertowel or babywipe and bag it up, it should be safe enough and make him realize that his mess is his to own.
Jan 12Yes Flare, if there are smears he will wipe them up. It is the lingering odor and the thought that there are things I can't see. My personal response plus I would not send another child into a bathroom I would not go into. Luckily there are restrooms across the hall.
Jan 12Ok so....is this a case of medical neglect? Not saying it is or it isn't. I don't know the parents. Encopresis in a fourth grader with no medical cause is a psych issue.
I also call patooey on the counselor. You named three issues the counselor could be working on unrelated to the encopresis.
Jan 12Quote from tiningNOPE. Pull ups just justify the behavior in my opinion.Teacher and VP want pull-ups, but that won't help anything. .
Our district requires a doctor to provide the dx of encopresis. If the family refuses, after so many accidents the student is excluded because our district requires all students to be potty trained or have documentation on why they are behind/can't be.
It takes up too much instruction time for that to be handled.
Jan 12Quote from tiningi figured as much. I have a student with spina bifida and while a mess is usually not left, it's the odors of pulls up left that often cause objection. In my own bathroom i found a deodorizing device that helps, but does not solve entirely. And ultimately the child was moved to using a bathroom closer to their classroom with more room for supplies so i am not quite as enmeshed in the issue as i was before. I am thinking i will order another deodorizing device for the other bathroom in next year's budget.Yes Flare, if there are smears he will wipe them up. It is the lingering odor and the thought that there are things I can't see. My personal response plus I would not send another child into a bathroom I would not go into. Luckily there are restrooms across the hall.
Jan 13I've not had to worry about it since I left the elementary school. In the odd case of accidents at the MS/HS level, I just give the kid a package of wipes and tell them to take care of themselves and offer to call the parent for a change of clothes. The SpecialEd have their own paras for this.
Jan 14To answer the original poster, my PreK and K classes actually have their own bathroom in the classroom. Shortly after I started, I had a discussion as some PK & K teachers were giving the children their spare clothes and sending them to my office. It made zero sense as it is a nice long "walk of shame" from the classroom wing to where I am located and past the library, cafeteria and gym. If it is between class periods, the poor child could go by a lot of peers in their wet or soiled clothes when a bathroom is literally IN their classroom. I think the teachers perhaps thought I was doing more hands on help? However, my district rules prevent me from helping toilet a student or helping with personal hygiene (for regular ed students, obviously special ed or medical needs are a different situation with signed consents in place) and I explained to the teachers that nothing magical happened in my office. I simply hand them a few wipes and verbally cue them through it around the door which the teacher can certainly do without the indignity of forcing them to walk through the school. For those instances where the student has no spare clothes, the teachers and I decided it was quicker and easier for the teacher to simply text or call the parent, especially as all of my PK and K teachers are bilingual and most of the parents are not English speakers. So now what ends up coming and staying in my office are the PreK and K kiddos with no spare clothes and either the teacher can't reach the parent or they are waiting and have an odorous BM that they don't want to smell in the classroom.
For 1st grade and up, those teachers and I haven't worked out any such plans so those kids always come to me and I just call their parents. I have been surprised at the number of 1st through 3rd graders with no medical issues who have accidents but as they generally don't have a change of clothes in their classroom, I call the parents or emergency contacts and we just wait it out together.
As for the spare clothes, I moved the "clothes" to the guidance counselor's office which was the recommendation of our district nurse to get us out of the business as much as possible. Those tend to be used more for I fell in the mud, my pants split during PE or I spilled my entire lunch tray on myself type issues as we honestly don't have a lot of clothes and as a Title 1 school, we rarely get those clothes back. If the teachers or I didn't call parents to bring clothes when bathroom accidents happened, we would be out of clothes in a week.
Jan 15Yeah, I'd definitely had dumped the "spare clothes" out of my office if I could have when I was in the elementary school. I had that and the lost and found (go figure how that gets to be a nurse responsibility). Now in HS, the kids can go get their gym suit if they are desparate. I suggested to the office that they stock some sweats (the school store does sell them) oror something for such emergencies, but it's not my problem.