SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 9
Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we... Read More
4Jan 29, '13 by lovetheoceanI graduated last year with an ADN. It was only after I got my first RN job a few months later that I realized how difficult it is for ADNs to get jobs, especially at hospitals with Magnet status. I have watched this topic for some time and want to state my opinion regarding the ADN vs. BSN debate. I value education. And though I myself have an ADN and know plenty of competent nurses at my same educational level, a BSN, in most cases, is a more well-rounded nurse. I am in an RN/ BSN program and have broadened my knowledge through classes such as Advanced Assessment RN and Cultural Diversity in Nursing, things that are just not taught as part of the ADN curriculum. The aforementioned courses (among others) have contributed to my increased knowledge and level of competence. It is my humble opinion that nurses should attain a BSN to not only be educationally competitive, but to better serve the patient population. After I complete my BSN this year, I will be pursuing an MSN and possibly an NP. I'm proud to advance educationally, as educated nurses lend credence to our profession and increase the respectability of our place in medicine.
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1Feb 7, '13 by jodyangel...on the other side, I'm looking into pursuing my BSN after being out of work and seeing how many hospitals are only hiring...or Preferring BSN nurses.But Ugh...I'm in my 50s and have no desire to take classes OR add 15-30,000$ to my debt.
0Feb 8, '13 by subeeThe argument for BSN vs. ADN make not a whit of difference. If the market leans towards BSN, then others will be left behind....period.
Yes, it's inconvenient for an education to cost money. But we don't hear much from other health professionals complain about the cost of their education - they just get on with setting an educational standard and DEALING with it because, by limiting their numbers, they command a salary more commensurate with their educational status.
0Feb 8, '13 by mct1963After practicing in a level III NICU for twenty+ years, our managers re-aligned our unit to all 12.5 hour shifts w/4 hour call blocks. About 14 veteran nurses resigned and they are running through new nurses like water...when you are scheduled for call...you will work!!! Finally, I had to take charge of my health and future.
I'll be 50 years old next month, too. I've been chipping away at the degree for years and have 2 courses this term and two in the Fall then, I will have my BSN.
The Children's Hospital across the street is a "Magnet Hospital" and they require all nurses to have their BSN.
$15,000-$30,000 is a lot of money, too.
Now, I concerned that by the time I finish in December, 2013...I'll need a Master's Degree!!!
0Feb 8, '13 by mct1963Quote from FlyingScotNurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...Sorry Dude but wrong. I had all three of these in my DIPLOMA program waaaaay back in 1985. Some programs may not have them but many do.
I find these types of discussions to be absolutely pointless. They are mostly filled with opinions, anecdotal (read "worthless") experiences, gross overgeneralizations and repeated reference to ONE study that has since been discredited.
Seriously, has anything positive ever come out of these types of threads?
1Feb 8, '13 by Sun0408Quote from MarieSens-TaylorYou are mistaken. Yes they do. I know several nurse managers as well as other's that hold management type positions that ONLY have a ADN, yes even in very well known hospitals.Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
5Feb 8, '13 by ParkerBC,MSN,RNI suppose I will be the jerk here. The worthless prereqs you speak of consist of a couple of courses of which I think you’re in desperate need; Writing and Communication. While I’m sure I will catch some heat for my comment, it just goes to show that having a BSN isn’t a waste of time or money. These comments are exactly why there continues to be a divide in our profession. Our profession thrives on continuing education. Advances in medicine along with new evidence based nursing research require us to continue our education. You should also know that a well-balanced curriculum prepares us to be well-balanced practitioners. Perhaps learning a proper technique in that gym class can transcend into the patient’s PT and OT care. Or perhaps that new recipe learned in that worthless cooking class can be the much needed ice breaker to promote a therapeutic relationship.
Education, regardless of the topic, is not worthless.Last edit by ParkerBC,MSN,RN on Feb 8, '13
3Feb 8, '13 by tewdlesQuote from MarieSens-TaylorSorry, but that is simply not true.Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
I have worked with ADNs in ALL of those areas.
One of the best VP of nursing that I ever worked with was an ADN.
Fewer than half of the RN staff that I worked with in Community health were BSN prepared. At the time, that was the largest community health network in the midwest.
I worked with 2 research RNs in Kalamazoo Michigan who were not BSN prepared.
Leadership skills are not limited to degree type although some degrees clearly prepare people specifically for leadership roles.
1Feb 8, '13 by DoGoodThenGoWhy nurses should earn a BSN:
http://c0250481.cdn.cloudfiles.racks...Earn A BSN.pdf
Pipe who put this little study together.
The latest from the ANA: http://www.theamericannurse.org/inde...-for-patients/Last edit by DoGoodThenGo on Feb 8, '13 : Reason: Content edited
3Feb 8, '13 by netglowGet a few years and two degrees behind you and you had better see that much of college is a money grab, unless, you just are clueless and need help for what ever you need to learn in life - college will never be the answer for that. You guys that think a degree holds the profession back from respect, are gonna have a long miserable career ahead of you. My advice is to not hide behind college. It's what, 2 years or 4? You won't be ever judged on this one small snippet of your life. If you suck as a nurse, you'll suck just the same holding your little diploma that nobody wants to hear about.
College is over! Time to grow up and out of it.
Edit: OMG DoGood, you actually read nursing crap? LOL. Seriously? Who reads that stuff?
0Feb 8, '13 by DoGoodThenGoQuote from MarieSens-TaylorPsst! Though done in the 1980's you might want to peep this starting at about page 41: Nursing and nursing education: public policies and private actions - Institute of Medicine (U.S.). Division of Health Care Services - Google BooksNurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
1Feb 8, '13 by edmiaQuote from DUDERNGUYIn general, I agree with this position. But, I cannot take it seriously because it is poorly written and full of grammatical errors.Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.
why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.
IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.
If you want people to listen to your argument, you need to take a couple of writing classes in order to learn to communicate. Otherwise, you are making the opposition's point with your lack of proper writing.
And I am an ADN nurse.
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1Feb 8, '13 by mariebailey, MSN, RNQuote from netglowMe! I read professional literature too.Edit: OMG DoGood, you actually read nursing crap? LOL. Seriously? Who reads that stuff?
I have "a few years and 2 degrees behind me " as well. I think I needed that foundation to guide the decision-making I've been doing ever since.
Props to higher education and reading!