SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 11

by DUDERNGUY 32,176 Views | 215 Comments

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year... Read More


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    I didn't read any of the posts in this thread. I just had to point out that the number of errors in your post are very funny and ironic. Thanks!
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    Your bitterness doesn't really change a critical fact in this situation, which you overlooked... There are numerous studies which show that the a higher level of education in nursing staff equates to better patient outcomes. I'm not disagreeing that ADNs do the same job and pass the same licensing exam, but I don't really think denegrating those who opted to go the extra mile for the BSN really helps your argument.
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    Quote from SRNA4U
    In our profession, BSN nurses receive nursing research, leadership/management training, and communithy health, which ADN nurses do not receive.
    Sorry Dude but wrong. I had all three of these in my DIPLOMA program waaaaay back in 1985. Some programs may not have them but many do.

    I find these types of discussions to be absolutely pointless. They are mostly filled with opinions, anecdotal (read "worthless") experiences, gross overgeneralizations and repeated reference to ONE study that has since been discredited.

    Seriously, has anything positive ever come out of these types of threads?
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    Quote from KelKelRN
    Your bitterness doesn't really change a critical fact in this situation, which you overlooked... There are numerous studies which show that the a higher level of education in nursing staff equates to better patient outcomes. I'm not disagreeing that ADNs do the same job and pass the same licensing exam, but I don't really think denegrating those who opted to go the extra mile for the BSN really helps your argument.
    No, they do not show an equation to BSN nurses and better patient outcomes. They show, at best, a statistically minuscule (much less than 1%) *correlation* between the two. But correlation does NOT equal causation. Yes, hospitals with a higher percentage of BSNs have, on average, a fraction of a percent better outcomes than hospitals with mostly ADNs. BUT, you have to keep in mind which hospitals tend to have more BSNs on staff. It's the large, metropolitan hospitals that have more BSNs, while it's the small, rural hospitals that have more ADNs. Which of these two groups of hospitals has more access to the best diagnostic equipment? Which has access to the best specialists? Heck, the large metropolitan hospitals have better staffing rations, for crying out loud. So, think about it. Maybe, just maybe, that itty bitty difference in pt outcomes is influenced by factors OTHER than what kind of degrees it's RNs have.....
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    I graduated last year with an ADN. It was only after I got my first RN job a few months later that I realized how difficult it is for ADNs to get jobs, especially at hospitals with Magnet status. I have watched this topic for some time and want to state my opinion regarding the ADN vs. BSN debate. I value education. And though I myself have an ADN and know plenty of competent nurses at my same educational level, a BSN, in most cases, is a more well-rounded nurse. I am in an RN/ BSN program and have broadened my knowledge through classes such as Advanced Assessment RN and Cultural Diversity in Nursing, things that are just not taught as part of the ADN curriculum. The aforementioned courses (among others) have contributed to my increased knowledge and level of competence. It is my humble opinion that nurses should attain a BSN to not only be educationally competitive, but to better serve the patient population. After I complete my BSN this year, I will be pursuing an MSN and possibly an NP. I'm proud to advance educationally, as educated nurses lend credence to our profession and increase the respectability of our place in medicine.
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    ...on the other side, I'm looking into pursuing my BSN after being out of work and seeing how many hospitals are only hiring...or Preferring BSN nurses.But Ugh...I'm in my 50s and have no desire to take classes OR add 15-30,000$ to my debt.
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    The argument for BSN vs. ADN make not a whit of difference. If the market leans towards BSN, then others will be left behind....period.
    Yes, it's inconvenient for an education to cost money. But we don't hear much from other health professionals complain about the cost of their education - they just get on with setting an educational standard and DEALING with it because, by limiting their numbers, they command a salary more commensurate with their educational status.
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    After practicing in a level III NICU for twenty+ years, our managers re-aligned our unit to all 12.5 hour shifts w/4 hour call blocks. About 14 veteran nurses resigned and they are running through new nurses like water...when you are scheduled for call...you will work!!! Finally, I had to take charge of my health and future.
    I'll be 50 years old next month, too. I've been chipping away at the degree for years and have 2 courses this term and two in the Fall then, I will have my BSN.
    The Children's Hospital across the street is a "Magnet Hospital" and they require all nurses to have their BSN.
    $15,000-$30,000 is a lot of money, too.
    Now, I concerned that by the time I finish in December, 2013...I'll need a Master's Degree!!!
    Good luck!!!
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    Quote from FlyingScot
    Sorry Dude but wrong. I had all three of these in my DIPLOMA program waaaaay back in 1985. Some programs may not have them but many do.

    I find these types of discussions to be absolutely pointless. They are mostly filled with opinions, anecdotal (read "worthless") experiences, gross overgeneralizations and repeated reference to ONE study that has since been discredited.

    Seriously, has anything positive ever come out of these types of threads?
    Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
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    Quote from MarieSens-Taylor
    Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
    You are mistaken. Yes they do. I know several nurse managers as well as other's that hold management type positions that ONLY have a ADN, yes even in very well known hospitals.
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