BSN's vs. Community college - page 7

Hi all. I just wanted to say that nurses with BSN's in my opinion should be paid more, and have preference in the hiring process. In community college they basically pay you to go, and at a... Read More

  1. by   quinnila
    In my community college program most of us were 2nd career students who already have advanced degrees in many different fields so we have taken the HARDER courses. We also have LIFE experience that does not come with a BSN. The decision to go to a community college is usually based on several variables. These programs are wonderful and do prepare RNs for the workforce-just look at the base rates compared to rates for BSN programs- no difference in my state.
  2. by   AnnieOaklyRN
    Wow... CottonCandy could you please call the CC I am attending and tell them they are supose to be paying ME to go to school??? Cause I have already given them about 9,000.00 and still have about another 4,000 to give up. Thanks... the number is 603-555-1212 I am sure like the rest of us they will have a good laugh AT you and your ideas!

    swtooth
  3. by   suzyRN
    I think I offer a slightly different perspective on this issue since I was in a BSN program- one yr from graduating and then dropped out to have a baby. the courses were hard and the tuition was more. Then when my baby was 3 I started a ADN program. The 2 are TOTALLY different and in ways that cotton candy probably would't understand. The demographics of the students in both programs were completely different. ADN programs offer a nursing education in a more condenced form and without all the BS classes to take. Also- community collegeallows non tradional students to seek their degrees- people working full time, or with kids to raise. Not everyone does things the same and so I think that pay should be determined by pt care and NOT how many letters are behind your name. I work with some real crotchety nurses with their BSNs and some super sweet gals from ADN programs. If it were your daddy in the bed would you rather have self rightous BSN nurse or sweet suzy????
  4. by   Gromit
    Quote from kaliaj05
    I am a nursing student and I really don't care what I make as long as I can pay off my student loans and support my kids before school I was a cashier at a gas station making $8.00 an hour. I am new here and think that everyone who wants to become a nurse and devote their lives to helping people deserves an equal amount of credit regardless of education. (By the way I am working on my BSN and by the time I am done will have amounted about $30,000 in student loans) I think that pay should come with experience, as well as things like evaluations (meaning what do patients think of your bedside manner, etc. because I have known some not so nice nurses in my time who seem like they are only in it for the paycheck, not that all of them are by any means) regardless of the letters behind your name. Being a nurse is not about status how many nurses do you know that have a household name? Not many. I can name more celebrities than I can nurses...haha. Maybe for nurses that want more advanced degrees though and more recognition, the upper level positions should be judged on experience as well as education. That's just my opinion.
    Got tired of biting my own tongue a bit. Tell ya what, you come back here after getting at least (minimum) a years worth of RN experience, and re-read your post, and tell us all how honest it is. But hey, maybe you are the exception. Nobody gets into this business just for the money, but to say money isn't a factor... well, perhaps not if you don't actually need any (i.e., you are independently wealthy or married to someone who is). I once told a boss: "This isn't a hobby, its a job. I don't work for free." That should sum it up pretty well, I think. I love the idealistic views though (especially the patients' evaluation on your bedside manner. But anyway, hey, good luck with all of that


    In any case, I'll side with SuzyRN. As one who went back in my mid to late thirties to change careers and get into nursing, BSN wasn't an option -not financially by any stretch of the imagination, and not course/time wise. I had to keep my full-time job while going to school at night (bank wouldn't let me take a big multi-year break on paying the mortgage -and we won't eveng go into detail about the other bills and requirements of everyday life).

    Had a teacher once tell me (in the ADN prgram at the local CC) that it was unreasonable to expect to keep a full-time job AND go to school full time. My response to her was "is it reasonable for you to expect to get paid? I don't live with mommy and daddy. Too old to go back home while I go to school."
    I did finish. I'm an RN. I'm downright proud of that -even though its not a BSN. Will I bridge the gap and get my 4 yr degree? Eventually, yes. But it (like everything else) will be nothing more than a means to an end. In any case, I'll take an experienced ADN over an inexperienced BSN any day of the week.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from Gromit
    In any case, I'll take an experienced ADN over an inexperienced BSN any day of the week.


    I pretty much agreed with you until this last sentence, which I don't necessarily disagree with but has me scratching my head thinking "huh??? what's the point?".

    I'll take an experienced BSN over an experienced ADN anyday. I'll also take an experienced ADN over and inexperienced ADN as well. I'll even take an experienced BSN over an inexperienced BSN.

    Not to flame, but I'm not following your point. Are you mearly saying experience is the great equalizer as far as degrees go? This is true.
  6. by   Gromit
    re-read the last part. I said I'd take an EXPERIENCED ADN over an INexperienced BSN. To me, experience counts for quite a bit. Now, all things being equal, of course I'd take the one with the most education (who wouldnt? )

    You had me going a bit there. Lost my glasses (came off while riding -and no point in going back when they come off the face at highway speeds on the interstate. Won't get my new ones for another few days yet (sigh). I can still see, just not as well as I'd like (grin)
  7. by   SAC101
    I don't think it would be a bad idea to get paid a little more for some extra education. Let's put value to education. Also, let's respect those who choose the ADN/LPN route. It's a just a matter of different approaches towards the same goal. I've been pretty much through it all within 4 years...from CNA, CMA, LVN, and now ADN graduate. I am still setting my eyes on the BSN/MSN. Will that make me a better nurse that somebody with lower qualifications than mine? Probably not. Will I expect more money? Of course. Why? Because I have spent more time and money in school. Simple.
  8. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from SAC101
    I am still setting my eyes on the BSN/MSN. Will that make me a better nurse that somebody with lower qualifications than mine? Probably not. Will I expect more money? Of course. Why? Because I have spent more time and money in school. Simple.
    I pulled this out of your quote, because time after time when this discussion arises I see comments made that assume the ADN grad (like myself) is just that and does not plan to continue their education. Most times this is from the student who believes the BSN is the end all be all of degrees. I just laugh. I just graduated with my ADN and already have the application ready for a university where I am going to obtain my BSN. I see getting my BSN as merely a stepping stone to my Master's degree. Education is so important and just because one chooses the minimum entry to practice, does not mean one is: (1) inferior, (2) unable to provide safe care, (3) less intelligent, (4) or not concerned with higher education. So while you sit in your ivory tower and look down on those lowly ADNs, remember that one day they may be your boss. Life is funny that way. Thanks to all the truly educated BSNs who value the ADN without bias.
  9. by   Cherish
    This thread is ancient...:smiley_ab
  10. by   tiezto
    I'm a BSN student graduating in 5 months, and have a good friend who just graduated from a comm. college 6 months ago: he was hired in the ER with start base-pay of 54k + bennies, the same that BSN students are being hired at. He has already been accepted & enrolled into a MSN program at my university - skipped the bachelor's. he started back when i did, graduated me, is making money while i'm struggling through these seemingly pointless theory classes and is now starting his master's before i even graduate with a BSN. Overall, I believe it depends on the area your in (whether they care about type of degree). Personally, if I was to do it over, i would skip the BS. :smackingf :smackingf :smackingf
  11. by   TheCommuter
    I wouldn't become too rowdy or emotional over this thread. After all, it is nearly 3 years old. In addition, the original poster has not posted anything in a very long time.

    Just some food for thought.
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    This may be an old thread, but it's still a timely and important subject of interest to some. It's still debated (the ADN versus BSN entry point for RN/professional nursing) often enough, that is for sure. I agree; becoming emotional and unduly heated is not necessary but there is room for discussion nonetheless, if people find this important to them.
  13. by   Gromit
    I'm with 'The Commuter'. The one who initiated the thread only posted two times (the first being the beginning of the thread, and then again to needle it a bit) -and over two years ago. To me, this reeks of "troll". Ordinarily I just ignore such users as nothing more than someone who wishes to start an argument, and sit back to see how it plays out. Well, I'm nobodies monkey, and it obviously wasn't an important enough subject to the initiator -or they would have posted more responses.
    As far as I'm concerned, however, I don't view it as something that is up for debate (weather or not to go BSN or ADN) simply because for many of us (especially those of us who have returned to school to change careers -for whatever reason) the "choice" is taken out of our hands due to financial (and other) obligations -in other words, having to work full-time while going to school full time. Of course, there are others who still managed to do the 4 yr degree while working full-time (my hat is certainly off to them, since that is truly a major accomplishment). For me, there was no practical way to do it.
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    I know a number of nurses who went through the ADN program, only to decide that they didn't like nursing (or for whatever reason couldn't do it), and quit during the first year they were working (what a waste of time and effort on their part. Imagine having spent the extra two years (or more) to get the BSN only to find that you couldn't handle it for one reason or another).
    Either way, we each have our reasons -and in my view, no reason is a bad one.
    I will say that I think it would do far more harm than good for states to start requiring 4yr degrees just to become an RN, however. In case they missed it, most facilities do NOT operate at full staffing levels.

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