How Many Times Do You Have To Take A&P1 ? - page 4

I am in A&P 1 for the first time this semester. 90% of the class is taking it for at least the second time. One lady is in there for the 4th time! No disrespect intended, but how many times do you... Read More

  1. by   General E. Speaking, RN
    I had a horrible, horrible disgruntled prof for A&P I. Ratemyprosessor consistently gives this guy scores. He is sarcastic, belittled you in front of the class for asking a question and his lab tests were nightmares. (Didn't know about ratemyprofessor before signing up) Now, because of his bad rep, the college won't post his name until right before the class starts, otherwise no one would register. People were failing left and right. Yes, I passed with a "B" but I was already an LVN which helped and I worked my butt off with my nose in my A&P book every night. I had different prof for my other sciences and made A's in A&P II and Micro. I consider a B in his class an A.

    I did complain, but the last time I looked he was still there.

    I guess my point is that I can see why someone would retake if they had this guy...
    Last edit by General E. Speaking, RN on Feb 20, '07 : Reason: delayed synapses
  2. by   juicy_jade
    Quote from kriso
    I had a horrible, horrible disgruntled prof for A&P I. Ratemyprosessor consistently gives this guy scores. He is sarcastic, belittled you in front of the class for asking a question and his lab tests were nightmares. (Didn't know about ratemyprofessor before signing up) Now, because of his bad rep, the college won't post his name until right before the class starts, otherwise no one would register. People were failing left and right. Yes, I passed with a "B" but I was already an LVN which helped and I worked my butt off with my nose in my A&P book every night. I had different prof for my other sciences and made A's in A&P II and Micro. I consider a B in his class an A.

    I did complain, but the last time I looked he was still there.

    I guess my point is that I can see why someone would retake if they had this guy...


    Wow....schools can do that? Not post his name? Why can't they get rid of the guy and find someone that will teach and not belittle people for asking question? :trout:
  3. by   P_RN
    Wow I'm glad I had the best instructors for those two classes. Chem. I could have used a little more excitement from the guy. He faced the board and wrote with his right hand while erasing with his left. Fortunately it was straight from the book.
  4. by   chase4myheart
    I'll be graduating in May from the LPN program. I took A&P 1 last semester and carried 18 credits with it. I made a B. I'm taking A&P 2 this semester and have 20 credits and still have a B average. I wish that I could devote more time to it and bring it up to an A like I have in my other nursing classes, but I just don't have the time. A&P is hard, but you can pass it the first time. It just takes time management and a lot of hard work. I can't imagine having to take these classes multiple times. Once is definitely enough.
  5. by   AggieQT
    I took A&P twice and have no guilt or problem with it and others that do the same. I made an 89.4 the first time around and it was my choice to pay more money and take more time to retake it. I am an A student. I accept nothing less than As because I know I am smart enough to make them.

    The way I look at it, if I earned a B the first time, then it is my job to retake it to make an A. Why should I just throw in the towel and not try to do my best? If someone wants to retake the class 4 times then more power to them. Nursing school admissions will see that they had a hard time and it will be factored in. Just don't worry about other people and their reasons for retaking classes. You never know why the girl is sleeping in the back and as long as it does not affect your learning experience then I say leave it alone. Thats my 2cents anyways.
  6. by   juicy_jade
    Quote from Jezziemis
    I took A&P twice and have no guilt or problem with it and others that do the same. I made an 89.4 the first time around and it was my choice to pay more money and take more time to retake it. I am an A student. I accept nothing less than As because I know I am smart enough to make them.

    The way I look at it, if I earned a B the first time, then it is my job to retake it to make an A. Why should I just throw in the towel and not try to do my best? If someone wants to retake the class 4 times then more power to them. Nursing school admissions will see that they had a hard time and it will be factored in. Just don't worry about other people and their reasons for retaking classes. You never know why the girl is sleeping in the back and as long as it does not affect your learning experience then I say leave it alone. Thats my 2cents anyways.


    Wow...thank you for the rather arrogant reply.

    Actually, it does affect my learning experience when half the class is showing up late while we are taking tests, when the instructor refers to things taught last semester, and when those people are sitting in the back giggling while we serious students are trying to learn. Yes, that is my business. I paid my tuition money to be here just like everyone else and I should not have to put up with a circus as a learning environment.

    Also, people should not be allowed to take the class four times just because they want to sleep and show up halfway through class and skip lab. There are plenty of other students here that are willing to take those seats that those slackers are only wasting.

    Also, I am not an expert on this or anything, but I would seriously doubt that nursing schools will factor in the fact that a person took a class several times to get a passing grade. Nursing schools are competitive and I seriously doubt that they will waste those seats on people that are going to sleep the entire time and show up late. Otherwise, anyone could get in.

    Now, if you want to spend your time and money to get that A, more power to you. I do not have a problem with that, I have a problem with the slack-jawed yokels that goof off all day while wasting the precious oxygen in our classroom and taking up space. There is a difference between being a serious student and retaking a class to make an A and someone that wants to play all day. I do believe I mentioned the playing and giggling in my posts.

    I am sorry if my original post rubbed you the wrong way, apparently it did. Best of luck to you. As for me, I am putting forth my best the first time around because I am not spending my time taking a class over and over for a higher grade.
    Last edit by juicy_jade on Feb 22, '07 : Reason: spelling
  7. by   Asherah
    Quote from Jezziemis
    The way I look at it, if I earned a B the first time, then it is my job to retake it to make an A. Why should I just throw in the towel and not try to do my best? If someone wants to retake the class 4 times then more power to them. Just don't worry about other people and their reasons for retaking classes. You never know why the girl is sleeping in the back and as long as it does not affect your learning experience then I say leave it alone. Thats my 2cents anyways.
    I strongly disagree with this, as an individual retaking a course four times is just excessive and wasteful to other students who wish to enter the course and do well the first time. I'm sure there are often extenuating circumstances that make it reasonable for a student to retake once (e.g. family death, pregnancy, marriage, medical leave) but juicy_jade and I are speaking of those folks who just don't care how they do the first three times because they can just take it again. I know there are plenty of those folks out there, its hard to miss them giggling through class and talking about what they just bought on their last shopping outing.

    As far of them affecting my learning experience, yes they absolutely do which is why I will ask them directly to be quiet or leave. Lectures and labs are for learning the material, you pay to be there...either be able to be a respectful peer and provide a conducive environment or leave. My professors have never had the tolerance for anything less.

    Sidenote: I've never been in a school that will allow you retake a class if you received a B. Repeating a course is usually intended for those who received less than a passing grade originally. Clearly you tried your best the first time, you earned your grade and you took up another spot for student who could have done well. Just my
  8. by   2bNurseNik
    This is so amazing to me. I have never met anyone - ever - who would retake a class just because they wanted to. If you pass, you've passed. Why take it again. You can find time to take study on your own. There are several books you can read and study on your own time. I think it's unfair to the people who try to take the class for the first time and they can't get in because the class is full. That's just my thought.
  9. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from Jezziemis
    Why should I just throw in the towel and not try to do my best? If someone wants to retake the class 4 times then more power to them.
    Sorry, but this person needs to move over and allow the precious classroom space to be filled with another student who is capable of getting it right the first time around.

    It is absolutely ridiculous for a person to retake any class 4 times, especially if (s)he wishes to be admitted into the nursing program. Nursing school allows you only 1 chance, so these students must learn to master the material on the first attempt.

    1 retake is acceptable, but 4 retakes is comically absurd!
  10. by   cad4296
    I don't think any of us really wants to retake a class for a B, because let's face it, a B is NOT a bad grade. Unfortanately with the really of how competitive nursing school is in some areas it is IMPOSSIBLE to even get into a school without a perfect 4.0. So yeah if you are competing with that, the reality becomes that you have no other choice but to retake it. Apparantly nursing schools don't think B students will be good nurses. Most nursing schools only look at GPA. Bottom line. They don't care that you have to work a full time job while taking a full time load and have kids to take care of or whatever the situation. They only look at grades. And the reality of life is that if you have so many other responsibilities that can't be neglected for school, sometime you do end up with that B. It's not because you didn't work you bum off the first time around. Some people can get away with just having school to focus on, but for most people they are having to work school into a hectic life schedule. Last semester I had a full time job that I worked on average 50+ hours a week, a part time job, a full load of 5 classes equaling 17 credit hours (2 sciences in the mix), and ended up with 4 A's and a B in chemistry. I gave it everything I had, nearly to the point of costing me my health. Could I have studied just a little harder in chemistry? Sure if I didn't get the 2-3 hours a night of sleep I got. While I think retaking 4 times is excessive, I'm not going to condemn someone for retaking it once to go from a B to an A. Because the reality is that in this day and age it's practically a necessity. You never know someone else's situation so really think about it before you decide to pass judgement on people. You only see from the outside looking in. You never really know what a person is dealing with.
  11. by   2bNurseNik
    Quote from cad4296
    I don't think any of us really wants to retake a class for a B, because let's face it, a B is NOT a bad grade. Unfortanately with the really of how competitive nursing school is in some areas it is IMPOSSIBLE to even get into a school without a perfect 4.0. So yeah if you are competing with that, the reality becomes that you have no other choice but to retake it. Apparantly nursing schools don't think B students will be good nurses. Most nursing schools only look at GPA. Bottom line. They don't care that you have to work a full time job while taking a full time load and have kids to take care of or whatever the situation. They only look at grades.
    I've seend this same statement posted so many times and have questioned it. Here in St Louis, many schools require a minimum of 2.5gpa for community college and 2.75 for universities. One of the best schools here - Maryville - with a passing rate of 95% requires a 2.75. They don't pick the student with the highest gpa. They pick the students on first come first serve basis with having met the minimum requirements. I personally feel just because I don't have a 4.0 doesn't mean I won't be a good nurse. Just because I have a 2.75 doesn't mean I am a bad nurse. It's all about the hard work and dedication you put into the program. Either way, you still take the same NCLEX as everyone else. You either pass or fail.

    Again, just my thought.

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  12. by   cad4296
    Quote from NikNik
    I've seend this same statement posted so many times and have questioned it. Here in St Louis, many schools require a minimum of 2.5gpa for community college and 2.75 for universities. One of the best schools here - Maryville - with a passing rate of 95% requires a 2.75. They don't pick the student with the highest gpa. They pick the students on first come first serve basis with having met the minimum requirements. I personally feel just because I don't have a 4.0 doesn't mean I won't be a good nurse. Just because I have a 2.75 doesn't mean I am a bad nurse. It's all about the hard work and dedication you put into the program. Either way, you still take the same NCLEX as everyone else. You either pass or fail.

    Again, just my thought.

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    I definately agree that even a C student can be a great nurse! I don't think my abilities in history or art have anything to do with being a nurse, but its factored in there all the same. I did a medical assisting program and retained a perfect 4.0 throughout the entire program. Why was I so successful there yet make a B in history? Simple....the medical field is my passion! Those classes challege me and interest me and I do my best when I'm challenged. If the hardest thing for me to do is memorize some dates, well then I'm basically bored and don't apply myself as much as I should. No that's not a good thing and I really should have realized when I first started college that someday that would be my downfall, but I didn't. I started out with a completly different path that only required a C all through college. I was doing good to be getting A's and B's in my original major because most people were doing the minimum C to graduate. Oh the things I know know that I wish I knew then. Around here, most program minimums are stated in the catalog as being between 2.5-3.0's but in reality if you have anywhere close to the minimum, you aren't getting in. I actually don't know of a single program in my area that is first come first serve basis. Although I wish I did! I could rest more easily at night if that were the case! I know I would be a great nurse and do great in the program because its all classes that go directly what you're career is. But these pre-reqs that mean little to your career (aside from sciences of course) shouldn't be that big of a factor. Trust me art was a total waste of my time and money and I don't have an ounce of artistic ability in me....so that B was very hard earned!
  13. by   MB37
    I actually looked up my school's retake policy after reading this debate. USF (S Florida) allows all of its students 3 retakes over the entire course of their college career, and only 1 for each individual class. You have to go to the registrar and fill out forms so they know what you are doing. Any subsequent retakes are reported as separate classes with separate grades. For example: A&P 1st time: F
    A&P retake: D eliminates F grade
    A&P retake 2: B
    Your GPA from this would be 2.0, or an overall C in A&P. If you took it again and got an A, you'd still only have a 2.67. This policy seems to make a lot of sense to me. It forces you to actually work the second time through a course.

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