Nursing Students Pre-Nursing
Published Jan 4, 2013
Hi guys!
I applied to a school and found out that chemistry is not a pre req for their nursing program and you don't have to take it at all. Is that normal?
SopranoKris, MSN, RN, NP
3,152 Posts
I was strong in neither, but I got pharmacology like it was nothin'. Side note: It's always good to have basic science courses on your transcript for nursing.
Side note: It's always good to have basic science courses on your transcript for nursing.
Our Pharmacology courses must be completely different then. We had to know the chemical structure & physiological effects of the drugs as well as the nursing implications, side effects, contraindications, etc. If I didn't have a solid foundation in Chem before taking it, I would have been lost.
Seems like there is some disparity amongst programs...
Bubbly26, BSN, RN
307 Posts
The program I am applying for requires chemistry. I remember taking it in high school and it wasn't my strong suit.
brenay
166 Posts
Our Pharmacology courses must be completely different then. We had to know the chemical structure & physiological effects of the drugs as well as the nursing implications, side effects, contraindications, etc. If I didn't have a solid foundation in Chem before taking it, I would have been lost.Seems like there is some disparity amongst programs...
phuretrotr
292 Posts
No, not all that different. We didn't have to know the chemical structure per say but we were taught and tested on the effect of each drug in relation to receptors and all that jazz. Even though I didn't know the chemical structure of the drug, I still knew what the drug did which gave me what SE I could see, why there were certain contraindications, and what I could do as the nurse.
Don't get me wrong, I fully support having Chemistry as part as part of the RN curriculum, but just because I didn't do well in Chemistry doesn't mean my Pharmacology class was a joke.
Seriously, does somebody actually think that knowledge of basic chemistry is of no value in nursing and something to be avoided if at all possible? Good grief, you're scaring me here. I'm getting afraid to get old and risk hospitalization if that's really true. ::shudder:: (We took one full year of chemistry plus one semester of organic chemistry....and yes, I did use it at work.)
(We took one full year of chemistry plus one semester of organic chemistry....and yes, I did use it at work.)
I think it is of value, but I mean, if your school doesn't require it, the school must not think it is a big deal...
Don't worry! I'll take good care of you!
Plus, I would like to become a CRNA, so I will be retaking my Chemistry course for a refresher and Chemistry II. I'll be better, promise!
nurseprnRN, BSN, RN
1 Article; 5,115 Posts
Elaborate when you say "chemical structure."
Seriously?
Knowing that a protein molecule, for example, has parts that interact with parts of drug molecules and that's why the drug is structured to work to block the protein, thus treating the disease state. Knowing that positive and negative charges are why and how fluids and electrolytes travel across cell membranes. Knowing what osmolarity is and why there are may causes of edema. Knowing that the way sodium channels work is how a nerve impuse travels along an axon and the membrane repolarizes (and hey, what's "repolarizes"?), so when serum sodium is deranged, you get neuro effects. Knowing how calcium ion charges affect neuromuscular communication. When somebody says a drug is a MAO inhibitor, what's that mean? I could go on and on.
"I don't need to know that to take care of patients." Oh, probably not, if you are satisfied with what's apparently turning into drone/superCNA/task-oriented training. IMHO, though, loss of that sort of bigger picture makes for a limited practice. More education makes you more able to understand what you're seeing and what should be happening. That's the nurse I want.
GIEndoRN, BSN, RN
65 Posts
I go to a community college and we have to have chem (and bio) within 5 years to move on to A&P.
mytwoboysmom
62 Posts
I think Chem should be a pre-req for A&P. When I took A&P I never could wrap my mind around some of the concepts. Now that I have taken Chem, it is all much clearer. I truly think a disservice is being done not to require Chem. The program I am trying to get into does not require Chem. You do have to have another science series either Chem I&II, Bio I&II, or Physics I&II. The nursing advisor told me that Chem would be the most helpful. With my hands shaking I signed up for Chem and it was the best thing I had done. One chapter on Chemistry at the front of your A&P book is not enough. I would strongly recomend taking Chem even if it is not part of your program.
Seriously? Knowing that a protein molecule, for example, has parts that interact with parts of drug molecules and that's why the drug is structured to work to block the protein, thus treatinmg the disease state. Knowing that positive and negative charges are why and how fluids and electrolytes travel across cell membranes. Knowing what osmolarity is and why there are may causes of edema. Knowing that the way sodium channels work is how a nerve impuse travels along an axon and the membrane repolarizes (and hey, what's "repolarizes"?), so when serum sodium is deranged, you get neuro effects. Knowing how calcium ion charges affect neuromuscular communication. When somebody says a drug is a MAO inhibitor, what's that mean? I could go on and on."I don't need to know that to take care of patients." Oh, probably not, if you are satisfied with what's apparently turning into drone/superCNA/task-oriented training. IMHO, though, loss of that sort of bigger picture makes for a limited practice. More education makes you more able to understand what you're seeing and what should be happening. That's the nurse I want.
Oh how I love my sarcasm. Not replying to this particular thread anymore! :) see ya guys on other threads:)
meeep, BSN, RN
853 Posts
Oh please. If that were true, every nursing school would require it just as they require A&P. The fact that a large number of schools deem it optional tells you something. It's not like you're going to be expected to balance a chemical equation at the bedside. Not sure why people act like you do.
christina731
851 Posts
My ADN program does not require any chem, but the 3 BSN programs in my city do, So if I plan on getting a BSN in the future I will have to tackle that beast. I chose this ADN program specifically for the lack of chemistry requirement. I have bad memories from HS chem that I would not like to re live!
~Melissa~
73 Posts
The community colleges in my area do not require chemistry, but to bridge into the BSNS programs, I think all require chemistry and history (which I will take at my leisure after I finish my ADN)... Fair enough trade off, IMO... I can work as an RN sooner this way but finish up my degree fully in the long term :)