Cheaters during a test!!!

[pixie-dust37]

Hi everyone. I just wanted some opinions on this: my A&P1 class had a lecture exam yesterday, and there were these two girls who were cheating!!!!(One was sitting behind the other, and she was crouched down a bit behind the other girl's big hair).

Several students saw them, but the instructor (I don't think) did.

The thing that gets mad is that I bust my rump in that class to keep an A, and these girls can just cheat and still receive an A!!!!!

I know that it will catch up with them eventually, but in the meantime, they're still getting A's (i think).

Should one of us tell the instructor? or just let it catch up with them?

Thanks for any input.

[Soleilpie]

In the working world, I believe a good enviroment is being a team player. And that means helping other nurses out if there is something wrong with patient care. I am a nursing student now and I know how productive being a team player is. If you constantly have to watch your back on something you did that would not effect patient care in a serious way, then the environment would be terrible in my view. I would not rat a nurse out on something that was not serious but help the nurse rather than getting her in trouble.

We're not talking about a simple minor matter here. Small mistakes are one thing and may not require any real intervention, but cheating is a whole different issue. The thing is, you shouldn't have to worry about watching your back if you know you're a stand up kind of person. A team player won't bring the whole profession down by behaving unethically and then turn around and expect to be protected by the other members at all cost. A team works together for the betterment of the profession as a whole. It's not meant to be a selfish group.

You've apparently been told on a time or two in your past and it seems to have angered you. Don't let that cloud your judgment as to when it's appropriate to take a stand.

[gauge14iv, MSN, APRN, NP]

Hopefully - you sound very young - I may be wrong but you sound that way.

In real life, people stick together - BUT sticking together as a nurse means that everyone collectively does what they can to protect patient safety and the safety of their fellow nurses and staff.

A large part of being a nurse is being ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE. I am responsible for my own actions, I am accountable for what happens to patients - that doesn't mean I am to BLAME if something goes wrong, it means I am part of developing a solution to resolve the issue. We all are. Part of resolving problems is knowing what went wrong and how to proceed to fix it. Sometimes that means we have to peer report a colleague. Sure we'd rather not, but the state board of nursing REQUIRES that you do. If the board finds out that you did not report and you knew about the issue you will lose YOUR license. If you don't peer report your tem mates - who WOULD peer report will lose trust in you. Thats not team playing at all.

I am concerned that with your current attitude you won't keep a job very long, or a license. I would suggest talking to the counseling department at your school or a counseler who is familiar with nursing - find out how you can grow into the emotional requirements that your role will expect of you.

People aren't "out to get you" unless you A) give them a reason or B) are abnormally paranoid. In both cases you need help dealing with it.

[HeartsOpenWide, RN]

We're not talking about a simple minor matter here. Small mistakes are one thing and may not require any real intervention, but cheating is a whole different issue. The thing is, you shouldn't have to worry about watching your back if you know you're a stand up kind of person. A team player won't bring the whole profession down by behaving unethically and then turn around and expect to be protected by the other members at all cost. A team works together for the betterment of the profession as a whole. It's not meant to be a selfish group.

You've apparently been told on a time or two in your past and it seems to have angered you. Don't let that cloud your judgment as to when it's appropriate to take a stand.

:yelclap: :yeahthat:

[hopefully]

Hopefully - you sound very young - I may be wrong but you sound that way.

In real life, people stick together - BUT sticking together as a nurse means that everyone collectively does what they can to protect patient safety and the safety of their fellow nurses and staff.

A large part of being a nurse is being ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE. I am responsible for my own actions, I am accountable for what happens to patients - that doesn't mean I am to BLAME if something goes wrong, it means I am part of developing a solution to resolve the issue. We all are. Part of resolving problems is knowing what went wrong and how to proceed to fix it. Sometimes that means we have to peer report a colleague. Sure we'd rather not, but the state board of nursing REQUIRES that you do. If the board finds out that you did not report and you knew about the issue you will lose YOUR license. If you don't peer report your tem mates - who WOULD peer report will lose trust in you. Thats not team playing at all.

I am concerned that with your current attitude you won't keep a job very long, or a license. I would suggest talking to the counseling department at your school or a counseler who is familiar with nursing - find out how you can grow into the emotional requirements that your role will expect of you.

People aren't "out to get you" unless you A) give them a reason or B) are abnormally paranoid. In both cases you need help dealing with it.

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[Soleilpie]

i do not agree with you and i am surly not going to rat anyone out. as a student nurse, i seen many nurses with years of experience that do not maintain sterile technique. for example, a foley catheter was inserted into the lady parts and the foley was not replaced. that surly was not sterile technique. do you think, i will report that? if i did, as a student, how the hell would i look? give me a break, i am not going to bring down these nurses. as a matter of fact my instructor heard about it and my instructor, said, "i do not want to hear about it." what do you expect us to do? bring down the whole down hospital or we will lose are licence?.

it's called integrity. you said you've seen many nurses with experience not use sterile technique. that's a shame, but it doesn't mean you have to go tell on every single one of them. maybe bringing the topic up with the nurse educator without mentioning names will result in some in service training for all of the nurses. while not every single incident requires "ratting" on, there are situations where it does. would you look the other way, if someone treating your mother took her much needed meds in order to sell it on the street? what if a nurse got tired of hearing the alarms going off on his/her vented patient and decided to turn the volume off? you have to use discretion. if you can't, then you should seriously rethink why you're going into a profession that requires you to advocate for ill people.

[RosesrReder, BSN, MSN, RN]

Too late for the instructor to do anything now....but I would tell him (no names) so he can keep his watchful eye out for next time.

[truern]

Originally Posted by hopefully

I do not agree with you and I am surly not going to rat anyone out. As a student nurse, I seen many nurses with years of experience that do not maintain sterile technique. For example, a foley catheter was inserted into the lady parts and the foley was not replaced. That surly was not sterile technique. Do you think, I will report that? If I did, as a student, how the hell would I look? Give me a break, I am not going to bring down these nurses. As a matter of fact my instructor heard about it and my instructor, said, "I do not want to hear about it." What do you expect us to do? Bring down the whole down hospital or we will lose are licence?."

A huge part of maturity is knowing when and HOW to resolve matters like these.

A huge display of immaturity is thinking "Well, *they* set the example for me to follow" when it's clearly an example that one *shouldn't* follow.

Just a thought, but how many students were watching during that foley insertion?? Most have been more than one....surely the nurse didn't continue to insert a contaminated foley knowing several students were observing??

[Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN]

In a situational situation, you will probably be the one informing your boss that your co-worker came in late 5 minutes. I hate rats..You think you are doing the right thing, you are just a stupid rat and always will be one..

It would be so nice if this thread could bear opinions w/o the namecalling.

[crb613, BSN, RN]

It would be so nice if this thread could bear opinions w/o the namecalling.

Ya know maybe this poster is just trying to cause problems. The replies just seem so odd & disturbed........???????? Let's hope that is all it is & not a true mindset.

[stpauligirl]

Ya know maybe this poster is just trying to cause problems. The replies just seem so odd & disturbed........???????? Let's hope that is all it is & not a true mindset.

I agree with you and I don't understand why people still bother trying to reason with "hopeless":)

[Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN]

Actually, what i said really wasn't limited to one person.

[wanna-b-R.N.]

I would just let it catch up with them. If you've discussed this with any other student, it may get back to these girls and you don't need any drama at this time.