Cheaters during a test!!! - page 5

Hi everyone. I just wanted some opinions on this: my A&P1 class had a lecture exam yesterday, and there were these two girls who were cheating!!!!(One was sitting behind the other, and she was... Read More

  1. by   gauge14iv
    I was agreeing with you dear
  2. by   gauge14iv
    But not the part about cheating - cheating is a deliberate choice!
  3. by   crb613
    Quote from hopefully
    What? You don't know the whole story. The snitch told on my friend to the instructor because my friend did not know how to do something in her clinical rotation. That is a snitch because she could have kept quiet about it. No lives where in danger.

    Anyway, I hate rats. I remember when I was in elementary school, my classmates used to tell on me to the teacher because I said a bad word. Friggen rats, should mind their dam business! The same situation applies here about cheating. It is no different.
    Sure it is...If you stand by & do nothing....what does that say about you? Do you agree with it? What about if you saw someone abusing a child....would you mind your own business or rat them out??? If there is nothing wrong with cheating then why hide it??? Why would anyone get kicked out of school for something like that? That just doesn't make sense.
  4. by   boomerfriend
    I had a couple of gals cheating in my A&P class. The first time it happened, my friends and I approached the instructor after class and informed her. She said she'd keep an eye out on the two suspects. The next week at our first lab practical they were both caught red-handed cheating. They both had written notes in pen on their hands (how childish!). She calmly asked them to go wash their hands while all of us watched. They completed the practical and didn't show up for the next class. They had both dropped.

    I've seen one of the two gals since and have resisted the urge to scream out and point "CHEATER!!!". Figure she knows she's one.

    Point of it is, if you see someone cheating, it should be brought to the instructor's attention. Leave it to him/her to sort it out. Honesty is the right thing to adhere to.
  5. by   hopefully
    Quote from boomerfriend
    I had a couple of gals cheating in my A&P class. The first time it happened, my friends and I approached the instructor after class and informed her. She said she'd keep an eye out on the two suspects. The next week at our first lab practical they were both caught red-handed cheating. They both had written notes in pen on their hands (how childish!). She calmly asked them to go wash their hands while all of us watched. They completed the practical and didn't show up for the next class. They had both dropped.

    I've seen one of the two gals since and have resisted the urge to scream out and point "CHEATER!!!". Figure she knows she's one.

    Point of it is, if you see someone cheating, it should be brought to the instructor's attention. Leave it to him/her to sort it out. Honesty is the right thing to adhere to.
    In a situational situation, you will probably be the one informing your boss that your co-worker came in late 5 minutes. I hate rats..You think you are doing the right thing, you are just a stupid rat and always will be one..
    Last edit by hopefully on Oct 16, '05
  6. by   Nurse_Smith
    No question about it, I would speak directly w/ the instructor in person after the class. I would try to get the other students to stand w/ me and confirm what we observed; if they would not then I would still stand alone. As a RN your integerity is paramount. As far as some of the above responders so willing to call you a " RAT " then I would question thier integrity as well. Someone who would cheat on an A & P test and get away w/ it would soon be cheating on a nursin final, maybe even when trying to write thier boards. Is this the type of nurse you would want taking care of your family? Stand up for what is right and you will feal better for it. Good Luck.
    Last edit by Nurse_Smith on Oct 16, '05
  7. by   Carebear77
    Quote from hopefully
    In a situational situation, you will probably be the one informing your boss that your co-worker came in late 5 minutes. I hate rats..You think you are doing the right thing, you are just a stupid rat and always will be one..
    why call people names here....come on, we are adults. Grow up.
    Seriously....cheating is not right, and I see nothing wrong with her telling her instructor.
    So if someone was a nurse and doing something wrong to a patient you would'nt tell on them? what is it was life threatening??
    It has nothing to do with being rats or a snitch, it has everything to do with being a decent human being and being honest...
  8. by   hopefully
    Quote from Carebear77
    why call people names here....come on, we are adults. Grow up.
    Seriously....cheating is not right, and I see nothing wrong with her telling her instructor.
    So if someone was a nurse and doing something wrong to a patient you would'nt tell on them? what is it was life threatening??
    It has nothing to do with being rats or a snitch, it has everything to do with being a decent human being and being honest...
    In the working world, I believe a good enviroment is being a team player. And that means helping other nurses out if there is something wrong with patient care. I am a nursing student now and I know how productive being a team player is. If you constantly have to watch your back on something you did that would not effect patient care in a serious way, then the environment would be terrible in my view. I would not rat a nurse out on something that was not serious but help the nurse rather than getting her in trouble.
    Last edit by hopefully on Oct 16, '05
  9. by   Soleilpie
    Quote from hopefully
    In the working world, I believe a good enviroment is being a team player. And that means helping other nurses out if there is something wrong with patient care. I am a nursing student now and I know how productive being a team player is. If you constantly have to watch your back on something you did that would not effect patient care in a serious way, then the environment would be terrible in my view. I would not rat a nurse out on something that was not serious but help the nurse rather than getting her in trouble.
    We're not talking about a simple minor matter here. Small mistakes are one thing and may not require any real intervention, but cheating is a whole different issue. The thing is, you shouldn't have to worry about watching your back if you know you're a stand up kind of person. A team player won't bring the whole profession down by behaving unethically and then turn around and expect to be protected by the other members at all cost. A team works together for the betterment of the profession as a whole. It's not meant to be a selfish group.
    You've apparently been told on a time or two in your past and it seems to have angered you. Don't let that cloud your judgment as to when it's appropriate to take a stand.
  10. by   gauge14iv
    Hopefully - you sound very young - I may be wrong but you sound that way.

    In real life, people stick together - BUT sticking together as a nurse means that everyone collectively does what they can to protect patient safety and the safety of their fellow nurses and staff.

    A large part of being a nurse is being ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE. I am responsible for my own actions, I am accountable for what happens to patients - that doesn't mean I am to BLAME if something goes wrong, it means I am part of developing a solution to resolve the issue. We all are. Part of resolving problems is knowing what went wrong and how to proceed to fix it. Sometimes that means we have to peer report a colleague. Sure we'd rather not, but the state board of nursing REQUIRES that you do. If the board finds out that you did not report and you knew about the issue you will lose YOUR license. If you don't peer report your tem mates - who WOULD peer report will lose trust in you. Thats not team playing at all.

    I am concerned that with your current attitude you won't keep a job very long, or a license. I would suggest talking to the counseling department at your school or a counseler who is familiar with nursing - find out how you can grow into the emotional requirements that your role will expect of you.
    People aren't "out to get you" unless you A) give them a reason or B) are abnormally paranoid. In both cases you need help dealing with it.
  11. by   HeartsOpenWide
    Quote from Soleilpie
    We're not talking about a simple minor matter here. Small mistakes are one thing and may not require any real intervention, but cheating is a whole different issue. The thing is, you shouldn't have to worry about watching your back if you know you're a stand up kind of person. A team player won't bring the whole profession down by behaving unethically and then turn around and expect to be protected by the other members at all cost. A team works together for the betterment of the profession as a whole. It's not meant to be a selfish group.
    You've apparently been told on a time or two in your past and it seems to have angered you. Don't let that cloud your judgment as to when it's appropriate to take a stand.
    :yeahthat:
  12. by   hopefully
    Quote from gauge14iv
    Hopefully - you sound very young - I may be wrong but you sound that way.

    In real life, people stick together - BUT sticking together as a nurse means that everyone collectively does what they can to protect patient safety and the safety of their fellow nurses and staff.

    A large part of being a nurse is being ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE. I am responsible for my own actions, I am accountable for what happens to patients - that doesn't mean I am to BLAME if something goes wrong, it means I am part of developing a solution to resolve the issue. We all are. Part of resolving problems is knowing what went wrong and how to proceed to fix it. Sometimes that means we have to peer report a colleague. Sure we'd rather not, but the state board of nursing REQUIRES that you do. If the board finds out that you did not report and you knew about the issue you will lose YOUR license. If you don't peer report your tem mates - who WOULD peer report will lose trust in you. Thats not team playing at all.

    I am concerned that with your current attitude you won't keep a job very long, or a license. I would suggest talking to the counseling department at your school or a counseler who is familiar with nursing - find out how you can grow into the emotional requirements that your role will expect of you.
    People aren't "out to get you" unless you A) give them a reason or B) are abnormally paranoid. In both cases you need help dealing with it.
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    Last edit by hopefully on Oct 16, '05
  13. by   Soleilpie
    Quote from hopefully
    i do not agree with you and i am surly not going to rat anyone out. as a student nurse, i seen many nurses with years of experience that do not maintain sterile technique. for example, a foley catheter was inserted into the vagina and the foley was not replaced. that surly was not sterile technique. do you think, i will report that? if i did, as a student, how the hell would i look? give me a break, i am not going to bring down these nurses. as a matter of fact my instructor heard about it and my instructor, said, "i do not want to hear about it." what do you expect us to do? bring down the whole down hospital or we will lose are licence?.
    it's called integrity. you said you've seen many nurses with experience not use sterile technique. that's a shame, but it doesn't mean you have to go tell on every single one of them. maybe bringing the topic up with the nurse educator without mentioning names will result in some in service training for all of the nurses. while not every single incident requires "ratting" on, there are situations where it does. would you look the other way, if someone treating your mother took her much needed meds in order to sell it on the street? what if a nurse got tired of hearing the alarms going off on his/her vented patient and decided to turn the volume off? you have to use discretion. if you can't, then you should seriously rethink why you're going into a profession that requires you to advocate for ill people.

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