Why do so many nurses from the Philippines come to Canada/USA? - page 2
I hope nobody takes offense to this question because I certainly don't mean it in any negative way. I am just wondering why so many nurses from the Philippines are coming to Canada and the USA? I... Read More
Mar 16, '11 by lilacloverQuote from agldragonrnand also i must point this out:why are so many people here on allnurses always asking this? what's next? why are there so many black nurses? why are there so many hispanics nurses? back in the days when we had the "nursing shortage", the u.s. government were begging filipino nurses to come to america. they automatically got "green cards" instantly including their families. that's how my mom and several of my aunts got here. and now that there is no more nursing shortage, you want to kick them to the curb?
why is it sad that you work more with filipino nurses than your fellow canadians? is it the filipino nurses fault that many canadians are out of work? how do you know they are not canadian citizens already?
these filipino nurses enter your country legally and your board of nursing issued these nurses licenses, so what is the problem?
no i am not going to ask next why are there so many black nurses or hispanic nurses. cause i have never worked with either one of those groups of people. yet i work with easily 50% filipino nurses.
Mar 16, '11 by jmnurse08Nurses in the Philippines are paid so low. Now a days they start by being a volunteer for 6 months and then when you are hired you are paid around 5000-10000 pesos which is around $100-200. If you have years of experience like seniors who are experienced with icu/or/etc any specialty around 10000-20000 which is $200-400. By reading this you will get the reason why. Also in the Philippines we dont have our own CNA so nurses there do everything. I'm a Filipino but I cant blame you for asking the question if i was a canadian I would have ask the same thing.
Edit: the salary I was talking about is monthlyLast edit by jmnurse08 on Mar 16, '11
Mar 16, '11 by kevin gI'm Filipino
and i think the OP didnt mean it in a negative way, it is true there are a lot of us in nursing! We cannot deny that, there are a lot of Filipinos. If there were a lot of Chinese people in nursing I would be like " why are there a lot of Chinese people in nursing? " Because it seems like nursing is a cultural thing for us. Some come from the Philippines because the pay and lifestyle here is a lot better compared to there. There are a lot of Filipinos in the profession probably because most of us have family members, relatives, or friends who are nurses, which influences our career choice aswell.
I know my brother who was influenced by his girlfriend who was influenced by her family of nurses, so it's a cycle. Thinking of nursing just once, with all the opportunities it comes with, will stay in our mind because it is a career choice that is hard to pass up (good pay while helping humanity a little more every day).
Mar 16, '11 by agldragonRNQuote from kevin gdid you not read these statements from the op?i'm filipino
and i think the op didnt mean it in a negative way, it is true there are a lot of us in nursing! we cannot deny that, there are a lot of filipinos. if there were a lot of chinese people in nursing i would be like " why are there a lot of chinese people in nursing? " because it seems like nursing is a cultural thing for us. some come from the philippines because the pay and lifestyle here is a lot better compared to there. there are a lot of filipinos in the profession probably because most of us have family members, relatives, or friends who are nurses, which influences our career choice aswell.
i know my brother who was influenced by his girlfriend who was influenced by her family of nurses, so it's a cycle. thinking of nursing just once, with all the opportunities it comes with, will stay in our mind because it is a career choice that is hard to pass up (good pay while helping humanity a little more every day).
Quote from lilacloveri read the above as: the filipinos are indirectly responsible for jobless canadians.
is it the filiono nurses fault that canadian nurses are out of work you ask? well no its not their fault directly. they were recruited when we needed them and its definitley not their fault for wanting to go to a place where they can make more money. i would also do this in a heartbeat. however as a canadian i can't help but think about how fellow canadians wouldn't be jobless if we hand't recruited so hard internationally during a brief time of nursing shortage...
Quote from lilacloveragain, the blaming of the filipinos again and sad because many canadians are out of work due to them.here in vancouver bc i think i work with more phillipino nurses than fellow canadians. frankly its kinda sad considering how many canadians are out of work...
Mar 16, '11 by caliotter3I asked some of my Filipino coworkers this at the beginning of my nursing career when we were talking one night. I had never met Filipinos (that I recalled) until I started that job. They told me plain and simple that there was no work for them in the Philippines and they were supporting their families. They were serious about the conversation and voiced a longing to be at home.
Mar 16, '11 by agldragonRNit's not like these filipinos are stealing jobs from canadians or americans. they came legally to the country. the jobs are open to everybody including the citizens. everyone is free to apply.
what is up with singling out an ethnic group of people?
Mar 16, '11 by kevin goh i just read the 1st page and figured I'd just chime in, i didn't even see the dispute on the 2nd page, everything seemed so civil at first lol
ya there are a lot of us, but it doesn't mean we are illegal. Hell like all the Filipinos i know (here in Cali) are born in the US and we just picked nursing as our profession. Older generation Filipinos may have accents, but that doesn't mean they are illegalLast edit by kevin g on Mar 16, '11
Mar 16, '11 by KhloRN2beThe plain and simple answer is that the US aggressively recruited nurses from the Philippines and it became a way to immigrate to the US. US immigration was and still is a big deal to Filipinos, so if the demand was for nurses, you became a nurse. Filipinos also work in other countries such as Singapore, Japan, UK and middle eastern countries mainly because the pay is better than in the country.
I happen to be Filipino but I'm a US citizen. Just happened to choose this profession.
Mar 16, '11 by LongislandRN23, BSN, RNShocker: I think that Canadians or US citizens should be given first accommodation as far as job opportunities are concerned. There are many of our citizens without employment who are nurses. I think our governments have limited work visas for foreigners and hope they continue to do so and eventually stop.
Mar 16, '11 by evolvingrnQuote from LongislandLPNShocker: I think that Canadians or US citizens should be given first accommodation as far as job opportunities are concerned. There are many of our citizens without employment who are nurses. I think our governments have limited work visas for foreigners and hope they continue to do so and eventually stop.
That's fine but just because someone is Filipino in background does not mean they are not American or Canadian as well and they should have an equal opportunity to compete for those jobs. People also immigrate to the united states every year in a lot of countries very educated people come over but their degrees are useless here but in this case their training is equivalent (and some might argue superior) to the US nurse training program therefore they are able to viably compete for jobs.
Mar 16, '11 by RL657Both my husband and I are Filipino nurses who are now working and living in Canada. Fortunately enough,we arrived here as immigrants.We both took the exam and passed it the first time we took it and found work right away in an acute hospital.I am very thankful that before we came here my husband did a lot of studying about how to register as a nurse and how to integrate successfully.We did not have much problems that many experienced when they arrived unprepared.I know of many nurses from the Philippines who are working as nurses in the Middle East and arrived here as live-in caregivers.
I did both teaching in a college of nursing and working in the hospital at the same time in the Philippines. Many of my former students became nurses for the reason that they believed that Canada and the US offers better pay. US of A is the ultimate destination.That sounded like a statement from a travel agency.Therefore ,what follows would be a better future.The working situation right now is deplorable.Nurses are being paid poorly. Imagine working in a unit where there are only 3 RNs and 40 patients in a government hospital.It is absolutely unsafe and to make it worst many colleges of nursing are popping out everywhere leading to mass production of nursing graduates.No work can be found for them and that is horrible.
Another sad thought is that most Filipinos who are taking up nursing are being encouraged by their own families either in the Philippines or in Canada and the US to take up nursing.They believed that if one takes up nursing it is a ticket way out of the poverty that exists right now.I came across students who was forced to take up nursing due to the above mentioned reason and never really appreciating what is nursing all about.They simply don't have the clue of what awaits them.Another scenario that is occurring right now is that many parents (I have nothing against them personally), even if they know their children does not have what it takes to be a nurse ,kept on pushing them and simply believing that they will pass the licensure exam . If they fail the first time ,the parents would just say there is always the next time.I don't intend to be sarcastic but this is just my own observation that some parents have blinded themselves to the reality and deluded themselves of the capacity of their children.I know they want a better future for their kids but I truly believe that in this type of scenario we must braced ourselves to the reality of what they can do and what they cant.
So many new graduates with less hospital experience and lesser chances of working in hospitals.Everyone in the Philippines thinks that working abroad is the best way to have a better life.I know that a lot of new graduates were hired in some provinces such as Saskatchewan and Alberta who do not have enough experience at all.Filipino nurses tends to think that the country is producing the so called"best nurses" in the world,that is why many countries are hiring them.The media,the government and the educators are just simply not helping in that scenario. They don't seem to understand that the phrase "best nurses in the world" is offending to other nurses coming from other countries.It is implying that the other nurses who are not from the Philippines are none better.It is not intentional on their part but they should consider the feelings of other nurses and do some reading about this topic. I know Filipino nurses are good nurses and they work hard but that doesn't mean other nurses are not like that.
I hope I am able to share some insights through this post. I love the nursing profession and I respect everyone and anyone who earns the title of an RN whether they came from the Philippines or anywhere else.
Mar 16, '11 by mba2bsnThe First Nations Indians were the first settlers of Canada before the Europeans immigrated to Canada. If you are one of the decendants of First Nations Indians then you have the authority to be upset to all people who are immigrating to Canada. Additionally, why not ask your fellow Canadian nurses who are working in the US on NAFTA-TN visa if they are stealing the jobs that should belong to Americans ? Should the American new grad nurses also blame the Canadian nurses because they can't find a job to pay their student loans and putting food on the table to feed their families ?