RPN/LPN/RNA all the same??? - page 3

by willow2004

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I've been looking for information on nursing and the different levels of nursing. I'm getting a little confused. Are RPN/LPN/RNA all the same??? Also, I heard from a friend that Practical Nursing is going to be phased out in... Read More


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    We are just saying that you cannot use the US as a measuring stick for up here. We are not the same.
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    I agree, it is very different here in Canada, our medical system is closer to that of Europe than the United States. I don't think that the historical progression of nursing utilization applies though, for a few reasons such as the RPN education here in Canada is not usually a stepping stone to be an RN, if one wants to be an RN, you can just do it, as many schools in Ontario don't have wait lists and it takes longer to do an RPN before doing an RN, the other thing is that the RN licence is now a BSN as a minimum requirement which creates fewer nurses in the system eventually.

    It is just a very different thing with tax funded care, not better, just different. The other issue here is that hospital employment has not always been stable even for RN's. It is not always easy to obtain full time employment here, even for RN's. Sometimes the whims of the government rule the day.
    Last edit by linzz on May 29, '08 : Reason: missing words.
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    Just thought of something to add, the College of Nurses of Ontario, Canada keeps statistics on which area RN's and RPN's are employed in. I have also noticed that here in Canada we have many RN's in LTC as it is a government requirement to have an RN on staff, even in retirement facilities. The other reality is that within the next ten years, Canada is going to have a lot of old people and not as many young people and keeping the elderly is hospitals is not something our government will be willing to pay to do, so I am guessing that many jobs will be LTC, like it or not. JMO.
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    Quote from linzz
    I agree, it is very different here in Canada, our medical system is closer to that of Europe than the United States.
    Agreed. And what I would give to have that system here! :chuckle

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    I don't think that the historical progression of nursing utilization applies though, for a few reasons such as the RPN education here in Canada is not usually a stepping stone to be an RN, if one wants to be an RN, you can just do it, as many schools in Ontario don't have wait lists and it takes longer to do an RPN before doing an RN, the other thing is that the RN licence is now a BSN as a minimum requirement which creates fewer nurses in the system eventually.
    Perhaps.

    However, I believe the continued advancement of medical sciences (and the associated nursing knowledge and skills set needed) will dictate the future placement of the RPN in Canada as it has for the LVN here in the states.

    An expanded educational model will have to follow. How Canada will address that, of course, remains to be seen.

    Nevertheless, you both are there, I am not, so I bow to your perspective here.

    The point I was attempting (poorly) to make is that in portions of your nation, the shift is already beginning (Mount Sinai and Sick Kids are two that don't hire RPNs.)

    That is also how it started here. Kaiser Permanente and Mercy lead this trend...soon enough, other followed.

    Quote from linzz
    It is just a very different thing with tax funded care, not better, just different. The other issue here is that hospital employment has not always been stable even for RN's. It is not always easy to obtain full time employment here, even for RN's. Sometimes the whims of the government rule the day.
    Oftentimes the whims of our government rule the day here as well. And our citizens seem to pay the price for their stupidity.

    I have enjoyed our examination of the two different systems. My (modest) knowledge of nursing history is always enriched through local perspective.

    Thank you for allowing me to speak within your forum.

    Best Regards,

    Michael
    Last edit by asoonernurse on May 29, '08 : Reason: sentence structure
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    So we agree to disagree?

    Peace.
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    Let's just agree to disagree. Peace here too.
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    Here is a quickie review of the future of nursing in Canada:

    http://www.cna-aiic.ca/CNA/documents...Snapshot_e.pdf

    The area stressed at the presentation I attended was the "common two year basic education". The speaker stressed that the PN diploma would be the entry point and building block of nursing education. And yup he stressed that most RNs would be employed outside of the hospital setting. So who does that leave holding the hospital jobs?
    Last edit by Fiona59 on May 29, '08
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    Thanks Fiona59 for the link. Very interesting, I think I will load the whole thing. I think there's some truth to RN education being geared toward more administrative tasks though. My RPN friend just started her BSN, why did she do this at age 42, because she said she wants off the floor at her hospital and wants to become an educator as she works in a teaching hospital and they have lots of educators there as they are big on continued learning.
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    Oddly enough, the same thing was said in America in the 1980's about "Nursing in the 21st Century."

    In the end, however, it didn't quite turn out the way they predicted.

    Regards,

    Michael

    Quote from Fiona59
    Here is a quickie review of the future of nursing in Canada:

    http://www.cna-aiic.ca/CNA/documents...Snapshot_e.pdf

    The area stressed at the presentation I attended was the "common two year basic education". The speaker stressed that the PN diploma would be the entry point and building block of nursing education. And yup he stressed that most RNs would be employed outside of the hospital setting. So who does that leave holding the hospital jobs?
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    i dissagree to " the commuter" i reside in the province of quebec in canada and here the RNA exist and is not being phased out at all. in fact im actually a RNA student (REGISTERED NURSING ASSISTANT) were registered, were known as professionsal here in quebec and were liscenced. they wont ever take out RNA's from quebec anytime soon since we so desperately need nurses and have such a high shortage.
    Last edit by mizzash on Aug 12, '08
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