How are Schools getting away with pumping out so many new graduates for no jobs? - page 2
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Question: How are Schools getting away with pumping out so many new graduates for no jobs? Thoughts: My first thought on this is that there is a lack of education or better yet lack of information discovered by students... Read More
- 6Jan 8, '13 by elkparkQuote from AutumnDraideanThis is another issue. I had another career before I went into nursing and can tell you that, for generations, people in many (most?) other fields go to college expecting that they will need to move to where they can get a job when they finish school. Nursing is the only college-level occupation/profession I've ever encountered where large numbers of people routinely expect to be able to go to school and then find employment (not just employment, but their dream job!) without leaving their current location.Good grief! This is very harsh.
There are shortages in areas that don't have nursing schools nearby and there are gluts in areas of high population concentrations. Some people can mount a national job search and move where the jobs are, other people just can't. I had some weak career advisement when I went the first time, I was told a historian could do anything, the part they left out? I would have had to move away and I wasn't prepared to do that for personal reasons. I paddled around in circles then I got mad and went back to school!
If someone is sold on rosy promises from a college recruiter while the media is trumpeting nursing shortage but they live in a town with three or four programs? getting a job might not be so easy. even if they get that far...I would like the media to hush about "Nursing shortages" and stop selling nursing as an iron rice bowl. it isn't.
It's a great job if you love it and want to work with people and things medical. It's a versitile starting place. That's all true. It's a tough program and I had to ask myself every day just how bad I wanted it!
- 2Jan 8, '13 by chucksterWhile he number of newly graduated nurses has increased significantly over the last decade, laying the blame on the nursing schools for the present nurse oversupply is misplaced. The institutions are responding to the demand for nursing education and while some schools - primarily, but not exclusively the for-profit colleges - have aggressively and perhaps deceptively recruited new nursing students, in most cases, the demand is consumer-driven due to the the media (and to a lesser extent, the BLS).
There have been countless stories in print and in the electronic media that spoke about a severe nursing shortage and framed the nursing profession as as immune to recession. The verbiage about nursing in the BLS information was only slightly less hyperbolic. As a result, greater and greater numbers of students migrated to nursing programs and colleges increased their nursing enrollment in response to this increased demand.
The AMA strictly limits the number of students that can attend medical school in this country through a variety of mechanisms. This artificially limits the number of doctors thus actively encouraging a permanent physician shortage. Unless the ANA is willing to do something similar, nursing employment will always be cyclical, with shortages followed by gluts followed by shortages, etc, etc.
Right now, we are in the glut part of the nursing employment cycle. This will be followed by a shortage, but at some point in the medium to long term - probably too far in the future to help many of the tens of thousands of likely underemployed nursing grads over the next several years.
- 4Jan 8, '13 by AutumnDraideanNursing in recent years has attracted adults as opposed to 22 year olds. That can make moving complicated. What if your spouse owns a business? That was what kept me near my college town...leaving would have ended the relationship. when you have kids it can be tough to leave, or kids and an ex spouse, kids need the other parent and sometimes you are obliged to stay nearby so you don't make visitation an undue hardship.
Some people are very mobile, others are not and it's not a matter of being short sighted.
- 9Jan 8, '13 by elkparkI understand that many folks going into nursing are tied to a particular area for family reasons -- however, I think that has to be considered when considering a career in nursing, and when criticizing schools for continuing to offer nursing programs when the employment market for nurses in a particular area is saturated. It's not the fault or responsibility of the schools if their nursing graduates can't/won't relocate to get a job. The graduates from other departments of the school are not expecting to be able to get a job in the town they went to school in, and you have to think about how realistic an expectation that is.
Also, the ANA has nothing to do with accrediting nursing programs. They are accredited by the NLNAC or CCNE, but, even then, accreditation is voluntary -- there is no state in the US that requires a program to have NLNAC/CCNE accreditation in order to operate. Nursing programs are approved by the state BONs, and, in the five states in which I've practiced over my career (I can't speak for the other 45, although I expect it's the same there), programs have to get approval from the BON not just to open and operate, but also to increase the number of students they are allowed to enroll. However, there is a lot of pressure from state legislatures on the BONs to increase enrollment in nursing programs, and BONs often run into problems if they attempt to tighten the requirements/standards and have little or no ability to refuse to approve a program just because there are already plenty of nursing programs in the state.
I dearly wish that TPTB in nursing were able to do as good a job of looking after the interests of current US RNs as TPTB in medicine do of looking out for the interests of US physicians. But I can't imagine we will ever have that kind of clout or status.
- 16Jan 8, '13 by Rose_Queen GuideWhy does it seem no one takes responsibility for their own choices anymore? "I went to school to be a nurse, now the school should find me my dream job where I want to live." No. People need to take responsibility, research their potential job field, research schools, and then make an informed decision. The entitlement attitude has got to go.
Sure, schools may offer aids to finding a job, such as job fairs, resume critiques, and interviewing skills seminars, but they should not be required to help their students find a job. So much more is involved in making the decision on whether to hire someone or not besides education. People need to step up to the plate instead of relying on someone else to do everything.
- 6Jan 8, '13 by CrunchRNI still think there is a ton of misinformation out there about job opportunities in the field and that it is propaganda from those that profit including some schools and administrators who can now lower wages......
Personal responsibility is one thing, but I still see articles all the time that state it is practically guaranteed life long employment with tons of opportunities and great pay and that belabor how dire the nursing shortage currently is and will be in the future. Even experienced nurses often seemed shocked at the difficulty finding a job.
- 1Jan 8, '13 by SaysfaaThe government moves slowly; they are constantly well behind the cutting edge. For example, many segments are still reporting a nursing shortage. They would be (are?) trying to increase the numbers now. And that is just on a report/recommendation level, which is much, much quicker and easier to change than a law.
Y'know, there are more situations than just the people who want to stay in their current area after they graduate. There are also people who want to stay only long enough to graduate. My sister graduated from a state school near where her husband was in seminary. They knew there was virtually no chance that they would stay in that area after they graduated (and they didn't, they went to a rural area with a very severe nursing shortage and a very long commute to the nearest nursing school). It would have been sad if she had been unable to go when and where she did just because there were too many nurses in that area.
- 5Jan 8, '13 by WannaBNurseyThere are schools that get rid of programs when their students can't find employment afterwards. A technical school in my area got rid of many programs because they found that their graduates were no longer getting hired in these areas. I think community college and technical schools do have a duty to provide training for jobs that are in demand in those areas. They have a duty to their community. I think, for the most part, community college and technical schools try to offer majors that are in demand in their community, but it is the student's job to do their own research.