Evolution and Nursing

tulip5 · Apr 1, 2014

I have done 15 years of bench science (yep... whole deal, microscopes, tissue cultures, radioligand binding, measuring calcium transients with fluorescence, grant writing and publishing, blah-dee-blah) and I have a couple of advanced degrees. I guess I have as much science "cred" as anyone on this thread. And I know the evolution theory from both the molecular biological to the across-the-species-macro-evolution sides of it. And I'm an RN. And I'm an orthodox Christian. And I'm convinced a sovereign God created all there is.

ON THE OTHER HAND... to my fellow Christians, I would suggest that the MOST important thing about the book of Genesis is "Who" and "why"... not "how" and "when". THE MOST IMPORTANT part of Genesis is that it begins the story of redemption. AND also to my fellow Christians, if you know your catechisms and confessions... you believe as I do that it's the Holy Spirit that brings people to belief... not our logic and eloquence (as if I had any... NOT!)

tulip5 · Apr 2, 2014

When do you know if something is "proven"? What threshold of proof do you require?

kakamegamama · Apr 2, 2014

tulip5 said:
I have done 15 years of bench science (yep... whole deal, microscopes, tissue cultures, radioligand binding, measuring calcium transients with fluorescence, grant writing and publishing, blah-dee-blah) and I have a couple of advanced degrees. I guess I have as much science "cred" as anyone on this thread. And I know the evolution theory from both the molecular biological to the across-the-species-macro-evolution sides of it. And I'm an RN. And I'm an orthodox Christian. And I'm convinced a sovereign God created all there is.
ON THE OTHER HAND... to my fellow Christians, I would suggest that the MOST important thing about the book of Genesis is "Who" and "why"... not "how" and "when". THE MOST IMPORTANT part of Genesis is that it begins the story of redemption. AND also to my fellow Christians, if you know your catechisms and confessions... you believe as I do that it's the Holy Spirit that brings people to belief... not our logic and eloquence (as if I had any... NOT!)

Preach it! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) "In the beginning......; He draws unto Himself......He knew we would need Him before the foundation of the earth (my paraphrase)" I needed this reminder today.....

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 3, 2014

Spidey's mom, my point was that I felt that Loriangel14 had missed out the part where we were/are agreeing and wanted to make sure this was seen - I perhaps worded it poorly but my intent was clear.

I still do not understand what was meant by my "prerogative".

allnurses Guide · Apr 3, 2014

GrumpyRN said:
Spidey's mom, my point was that I felt that Loriangel14 had missed out the part where we were/are agreeing and wanted to make sure this was seen - I perhaps worded it poorly but my intent was clear.
Well, it wasn't clear to me obviously.
I still do not understand what was meant by my "prerogative".

The word was not spelled correctly but it means a "special right or privilege. However one of the examples used by Merriam-Webster is "If you'd rather sell the tickets than use them, that's your prerogative."

Here are a few more:

1. An exclusive right or privilege held by a person or group, especially a hereditary or official right.

.2. The exclusive right and power to command, decide, rule, or judge: the principal's prerogative to suspend a student.

3. A special quality that confers superiority.

adj.Of, arising from, or exercising a prerogative.

I'm guessing the poster simply meant you have the right to think the way you want.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 3, 2014

Spidey said:
The word was not spelled correctly but it means a "special right or privilege. However one of the examples used by Merriam-Webster is "If you'd rather sell the tickets than use them that's your prerogative."
Here are a few more:
1. An exclusive right or privilege held by a person or group, especially a hereditary or official right.
.2. The exclusive right and power to command, decide, rule, or judge: the principal's prerogative to suspend a student.
3. A special quality that confers superiority.
adj.Of, arising from, or exercising a prerogative.
I'm guessing the poster simply meant you have the right to think the way you want.

Do you really think I don't understand the meaning of the word........? Especially considering I corrected the spelling.

That is a bit offensive don't you think?

I understood the poster thought that I have the right to think things but my question was, and remains, what is my prerogative? I asked a question. Please re-read post #37 and you will see that in a quoted reply to me I was told it was my prerogative and all I am trying to find out is "what is my prerogative"?

allnurses Guide · Apr 3, 2014

GrumpyRN said:
Do you really think I don't understand the meaning of the word........? Especially considering I corrected the spelling.
That is a bit offensive don't you think?
I understood the poster thought that I have the right to think things but my question was, and remains, what is my prerogative? I asked a question. Please re-read post #37 and you will see that in a quoted reply to me I was told it was my prerogative and all I am trying to find out is "what is my prerogative"?

No - I don't think you don't know the definition.

I was being a little bit playful - doesn't go over well on the internet.

So, sorry about that.

Carry on.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 4, 2014

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I was being a little bit playful - doesn't go over well on the internet.

Yes, found that out to my cost in the past. :up:

xoemmylouox, ASN, RN · Apr 4, 2014

Threads like this NEVER go well. It should probably be ended before it gets out of control.

chopwood carrywater · Apr 4, 2014

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Threads like this NEVER go well. It should probably be ended before it gets out of control.

Sorry I can't help my self.....

... Do mean to say before it 'devolves'

Had to get that out of my system.

Ps thanks FSM for the meatballs, you've got my vote - now pass those bananas over here (insert chimp sounds now )

BrandonLPN, LPN · Apr 4, 2014

Asking whether you "believe" in evolution is like asking if you believe in gravity. There is no debate in scientific circles that current life evolved from earlier life - none whatsoever. The only debate is in political and religious circles.

So, yes, I "believe" in evolution.

With that said, as an agnostic, I can accept the possibility of intelligent design.

zieglarf, LVN · Apr 4, 2014

Biblical creation and evolution are opposites and exclusive of each other. They cannot work together. The people that believe they do usually know little about one or the other. Or haven't given it genuine thought.

For example - evolution teaches that through death after death each generation changed/adapted over time to become the species that currently exist. Creation teaches that there was no death until Adam sinned and he was created as is.