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will universal healthcare ( in the usa) cut RN pay?

  1. 0 I been hearing this debate off and on for a long time about how if Obama gets universal healthcare to go ( if he gets elected of course)though in the US that nursing pay will be cut dramatically. I would think this has to do with the fact that we would all be working for the government and that there will no longer be competition. There are many people in my nursing class that said they will leave nursing if thats the case. I also talked to several doctors that said the same thing about medicine in general. Im just curious if anyone has some good info about this. Thanks
    Last edit by Trauma_Team_1 on Aug 27, '08
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  3. Visit  HM2VikingRN profile page
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    Single payer is not socialized medicine. It is socialized finance. See PNHP.org for an extensive discussion about the differences.
    Agrippa, Moogie, laborer, and 6 others like this.
  4. Visit  ohmeowzer RN profile page
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    i heard that from a few dr's this weekend about that we will get pay cuts if we have universal health care... i'm not sure... one of the docs told me ( now i'm not sure if he's right) that the nurses and docs in the UK don't get paid as well because they have universal health care .. that the it's the competation between the health insurances that keep the wages and prices up and therefore we get good pay.

    i'm not sure of all this and i'm not sure how universal health care will work for us... i'm sure we'll get some good insight... i'm interested to hear..
  5. Visit  icyounurse profile page
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    I think that most countries who have universal healthcare do not really have less pay per say, I think its a bit of a myth to try and scare lay people from supporting it.
    Nurses would still make the same amount of $$ probably, but big business would lose out. And big business hates losing out and they put out alot of false information to try and scare the public.
    Just my opinion, I know this is a hot topic, so I am fully expecting some die hard anti universal health care poster to flame me here:chuckle
    Circejane, LadyEJ BSN, RN, Agrippa, and 26 others like this.
  6. Visit  Vito Andolini profile page
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    Quote from HM2Viking
    Single payer is not socialized medicine. It is socialized finance. See PNHP.org for an extensive discussion about the differences.
    Surely you must know that McCain is not the only one who ever took money, in whatever form, from a lobbyist.

    Also, are you aware that there are actually several candidates for Prez, not just BO and JM?
    ohmeowzer RN likes this.
  7. Visit  MN BigJ profile page
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    It really is a non-issue. There is no way that any kind of program that involves a Universal payer or Universal HCS will ever get through congress. The amount of $$$ it will cost to put a system like that into play would be staggering.
    But I do believe that it would level off the wages. Free market is what drives businesses, including healthcare systems, to be successful.
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  8. Visit  CRNA2007 profile page
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    Don't worry the cut in your pay will be offset by the increase in your taxes. Socialism always brings everyone (except those making the rules) down to the lowest common denominator. So get ready for massive tax increases and very stagnant wages.
    Sade, KeyMaster, DebRN06, and 17 others like this.
  9. Visit  Atheos profile page
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    Quote from CRNA2007
    Don't worry the cut in your pay will be offset by the increase in your taxes. Socialism always brings everyone (except those making the rules) down to the lowest common denominator. So get ready for massive tax increases and very stagnant wages.
    Sigh.

    Can you provide a factual basis for your claims?


    <- Not holding his breath...
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  10. Visit  alkaleidi profile page
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    I agree with icyounurse -- and to add to that...

    In the US, the concept of universal healthcare seems very fair. It's fine and dandy to say "I don't want to take a pay cut in exchange for universal healthcare for all US citizens." Then think about the grand scheme of things. In the ED, we see a lot of the problem with NO healthcare, and the non-effectiveness of public aid. People go without, or with minimum, and then when they get really sick, and are on their death bed, we treat them and invest tons of money just to care for them until they die. Who pays the bill?

    With universal healthcare, at least everyone will have the same opportunity to maintain their health. I think the best part of the movie "Swing Vote" was one of the lines that essentially said, "If the United States is one of the richest countries in the world, why can't we afford to live here?" And furthermore, why can't our own citizens have healthcare? The young and the old are struggling, all with health problems. Kids are diagnosed with cancer before they are even walking. But the wealthy, who could still maintain their lifestyle on a small pay cut, are concerned that universal healthcare might make a little dent in their annual salary?

    Sorry, that's awful selfish. This world has become SO self-centered... everyone out for themselves. "It's all about me." Makes me SICK. The only place that people are guaranteed to be seen and treated, no matter how bad or minor their illness, is the ER. That's really sad.
    bender83, LadyEJ BSN, RN, thekid, and 27 others like this.
  11. Visit  Lovely_RN profile page
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    Quote from alkaleidi
    I agree with icyounurse -- and to add to that...

    In the US, the concept of universal healthcare seems very fair. It's fine and dandy to say "I don't want to take a pay cut in exchange for universal healthcare for all US citizens." Then think about the grand scheme of things. In the ED, we see a lot of the problem with NO healthcare, and the non-effectiveness of public aid. People go without, or with minimum, and then when they get really sick, and are on their death bed, we treat them and invest tons of money just to care for them until they die. Who pays the bill?

    With universal healthcare, at least everyone will have the same opportunity to maintain their health. I think the best part of the movie "Swing Vote" was one of the lines that essentially said, "If the United States is one of the richest countries in the world, why can't we afford to live here?" And furthermore, why can't our own citizens have healthcare? The young and the old are struggling, all with health problems. Kids are diagnosed with cancer before they are even walking. But the wealthy, who could still maintain their lifestyle on a small pay cut, are concerned that universal healthcare might make a little dent in their annual salary?

    Sorry, that's awful selfish. This world has become SO self-centered... everyone out for themselves. "It's all about me." Makes me SICK. The only place that people are guaranteed to be seen and treated, no matter how bad or minor their illness, is the ER. That's really sad.
    People go without, or with minimum, and then when they get really sick, and are on their death bed, we treat them and invest tons of money just to care for them until they die. Who pays the bill?

    This is what drives me insane about health care in this country. Once people develop chronic health problems from years of a lack of preventative care we spend tons trying to patch them back up!
  12. Visit  Atheos profile page
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    Quote from Bx_RN2B
    People go without, or with minimum, and then when they get really sick, and are on their death bed, we treat them and invest tons of money just to care for them until they die. Who pays the bill?

    This is what drives me insane about health care in this country. Once people develop chronic health problems from years of a lack of preventative care we spend tons trying to patch them back up!
    Yup and then people fight tooth and nail to stop a system of preventative medicine that would be IMMENSELY cheaper than what we have.
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  13. Visit  Bookworm14 profile page
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    Quote from Stanley-RN2B
    Yup and then people fight tooth and nail to stop a system of preventative medicine that would be IMMENSELY cheaper than what we have.
    There are people now who have insurance that are non-compliant or don't use their insurance for preventative medicine. Who's to say that universal health care will improve the amount of preventative medicine that is given?

    I have seen too many people now that could've, should've, and would've, but didn't.
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  14. Visit  Atheos profile page
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    Quote from Bookworm14
    There are people now who have insurance that are non-compliant or don't use their insurance for preventative medicine. Who's to say that universal health care will improve the amount of preventative medicine that is given?

    I have seen too many people now that could've, should've, and would've, but didn't.
    That's quite easy, in theory at least. Penalize the people that refuse to partake in preventative care. We do it for smokers and the obese now in some places.

    May be a little big brotherish but if you had A B and C available but only chose to utilize C the when lack of A and B leads to X and Y you have to pay more...

    It's sounds mean but we don't have a culture of preventative medicine. If we force that culture eventually it will become our culture and there will be no more need to force it.

    Of course I am a strong believer in sometimes people just don't know what is good for them and a little nudge is good... Where the nudging ends is always a problem of course. There, of course could be opt out options and such. Yes, complicated I know but nothing worth doing is ever easy.

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