Racism at Oakland University? - page 4

In Dean Catherine Vincent's pediatric pathophysiology course, all of her white middle-class students did exceptionally well but a Mexican-American student in her class failed miserably. What was the... Read More

  1. by   kelligrl
    te dijo no llores, Manuel...he's saying don't cry....no one is saying you didn't experience what you say you did. I don't want to speak for rusty, but i'm really not sure that's what he meant....I am completely unqualified to say whether she graded you fairly as I myself am still a student, but this is a huge subject for me because my kids are half white/half mexican. I lived in Wyoming for 3 of the longest years in my life and there I experienced the ugliest of the ugly. I now truly know how it feels to be followed in stores (because I was with my husband) and treated as second class to a degree (can you believe she married a mexican???)...It was crazy what an issue it was...because here in CA it doesn't even raise eyebrows.. I came to the conclusion there that I could give a rat's a$$ what people say about me, but just let it affect my kids...for reals that's when I swear I could take it outside...:chuckle (tongue planted firmly in cheek) I think that if you really believe your failure was based on race, take action. Only you know the reality of your situation...
  2. by   TIREDmidnightRN
    I am working in the detroit area.......Which hospital is it that has no black ICU nurses? I travel among the hospitals and have worked ICU with about every racial, religious, and gender minority I can think of....I have seen some ignorance of other belief system.s...but not prejudice......I do remember one time in a ECF...when a DNR patient finally succumbed to cancer...the brother, an attorney, felt that more should have been done to prolong the client's life......even though the DNR was in effect....the result was that EVERY SINGLE NURSE who cared for that client in the 72 hours preceding death was called down to the DON to issue a statement regarding the care the client received. I went for my meeting...no big deal.....we had given good care and the questions were to the point......but when I got back the next nurse waiting to go was fuming about being called down to the office....she kept insisting that "They are only doing this because of my race! If I were white they would NEVER insult me like this!" the fact that EVERY ONE OF US had been treated the same was lost on her. She saw it the way she saw it.
  3. by   manuelvillanueva
    Bi-County Hospital, Warren, Michigan, which is about 2 miles from my house. I live by 9 mile & Mound.

    I'd like members to see what kind of segregated area I live in:
    http://www.manuelsweb.com/diversity.htm
  4. by   Rustyhammer
    ok Manual,

    I think you are oversensitive and trying to place blame in a place where it is really your fault.
    We have ALL blown tests before! Thats what happened...you blew it!
    Also give this race issue a BREAK! All these percentage points of who lives where and more whites live in my town than your town I mean geez!....who cares about all that stuff...Just live your life and be the person you want to be cause this race issues that you are so preoccupied with is slowing you down.
    dont worry..be happy!
    -Russell
  5. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Bringing up demographics makes me think. Have you any idea what the ratio of caucasions to hispanics in Texas would be? I thinl it's the other way around. How about posting them in regards to hispanics also..........isn't that the point?



    Before I moved to Baltimore I saw a listing of percentages and it seemed about right once I got here. Baltimore is one of the most culturaly diverse cities in the country so I don't know where that number would come from. There is a meltingpot of cultures here in the baltimore area stretching out into the suburbs.

    As a person of any race I think there would be some feelings of detachment from the local culture in such a place as Livonia, but isn't it simple geography?

    Example: I think you would find a stong inuit indian population in Anchorage vs Livonia also.

    Corpus Christi, TX..............Likely no inuit population whatsoever. It's likely attributable more to climate and migration logistics than racism though.

    I think you could find racism anywhere you look for it but it would be much easier to "find" in a social climate where one race dominates by sheer numbers.

    There are still pockets of resistance to democracy where racism is taught to offspring as a survival instinct to the truly ignorant, I'm sure of it, but thier days are numbered as the species evolves.
    Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jun 9, '02
  6. by   TIREDmidnightRN
    Bi -County is a Henry Ford Hospital...I am just completing a Henry Ford contract.interesting chain. They have declared a financial crisis and used it as an excuse to get rid of a LOT of nurses....no firings, just "attrition".....in the meantime they spent a small fortune flying administrators to the Phillipines to recruit nurses....they paid airfare for the families of these nurses, set them up in apartments and asked the staff nurses to contribute furniture for the nurses.....they then froze nurses and CSP wages....blocked all promised raises..then relented and allowed a few pennies to RNs...while paying agency and travel nurses premium wages...this is the chain that patrols the nursing areas to make sure nobody dared to stave of the heat with a glass of THE HOSPITAL'S WATER!!!!!......the one that instituted a new absentee policy that says being ONE MINUTE LATE counts as "half an absense" and three minutes late is an absense! Severe penalties for absenses!
    Henry Ford Hospitals have 34% of it's employees listed as African American. I do not know the numbers of other minorities..but they are well represented..Henry ford system is plain STUPID when it comes to dealing with nurses....all nurses!! I don't think it's racial.....but financial...they can't think past the little numbers on a computer screen.
  7. by   Brownms46
    You know I think it's vey distrubing how some people love to tell others when it's time to get over something! It's like when someone dies...everyone feels there should be a time limit to grief! I'm sorry but there is none! Only the person who is affected can say when it's time to move on...and when they must continue to take whatever action they need to ...to help them feel better about what they feel has happened to them! No two people react the same way to anything...and for someone to say...this is someone else's fault or they shouldn't do this or that....I don't agree! It's the person who is dealing with the problem who can say whether or not this is real...their in the situation... not the person who is standing on the outside looking in. That person can never see...or feel what is another is dealing with! So it bothers me to see people trivialize someone's else's problems! I see racism up and close and personal..and no I don't attribute it to everything that happens in life...but if I feel I'm dealing with a racist...then that is what I'm dealing with!

    Manuel...you do what you have to ....to deal with the situation you're facing! Only you can decide what you need to do! Yes everyone has right to their opinion...but you don't have a right to shove down someone's elses throat...especially since you're aren't there in the situation!

    JMHO....and I'm sticking to it... I tried to ignore this one...but just got over the top!
  8. by   fergus51
    Brownms, I don't mean to shove my opinion down anyone's throat and I appreciate what you're saying, but this is a bulletin board. If people don't want opinions they don't have to ask for them. It fits with your signature quote perfectly
  9. by   Brownms46
    fegus51 I'm all for opinions...but give it as your opninon..but state it as such...as not fact! And I never tell anyone to just stop doing anything...JMHO...and leave up to them to do what they see if right for them! But thanks for the very nice reply..
  10. by   fergus51
    I hear ya
  11. by   manuelvillanueva
    My goal was to get feedback (positive or negative). I may not agree with everyone's opinion. I've made no attempts to hide facts. I set a goal to publicize my point-of-view and stuck to it. It hasn't been entirely comfortable for me but I felt it was important.
  12. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by brownms46
    you know i think it's vey distrubing how some people love to tell others when it's time to get over something! it's like when someone dies...everyone feels there should be a time limit to grief! i'm sorry but there is none! only the person who is affected can say when it's time to move on...and when they must continue to take whatever action they need to ...to help them feel better about what they feel has happened to them! no two people react the same way to anything...and for someone to say...this is someone else's fault or they shouldn't do this or that....i don't agree! it's the person who is dealing with the problem who can say whether or not this is real...their in the situation... not the person who is standing on the outside looking in. that person can never see...or feel what is another is dealing with! so it bothers me to see people trivialize someone's else's problems! i see racism up and close and personal..and no i don't attribute it to everything that happens in life...but if i feel i'm dealing with a racist...then that is what i'm dealing with!

    manuel...you do what you have to ....to deal with the situation you're facing! only you can decide what you need to do! yes everyone has right to their opinion...but you don't have a right to shove down someone's elses throat...especially since you're aren't there in the situation!

    jmho....and i'm sticking to it... i tried to ignore this one...but just got over the top!
  13. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Couldn't agree with you more Brownie,

    Unless you know what it feels like, REALLY what it feels like to be there.......nobody but that person can know.

    Until you've had it done to you. I think that racism's hate is multifocal and has no identifiable face. Its origination point is invisible to those in pain. They just know that they are.

    Where there is pain there is a need for healing, whatever the disease.

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