Are nurses forced to assist abortions? - page 3

Hello, I'm looking into a career as an RN and I am just curious - Are nurses forced to assist abortions? I've heard recently of several nurses being forced to assist or they lose their job. Is this the case with most hospitals?... Read More

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    the major catholic chain here (CHW / st. joe's in phoenix) lost their catholic affiliation 2 years ago after performing an abortion to *save the mother's life*. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/opinion/23thu2.html
    so, i don't think that's actually been reversed.

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    I don't mean they've reversed their stance on abortion, just that previously, if the child were expected to live, they'd have said she should carry to term and sacrifice herself. I suspect in this case, the fetus wouldn't have survived, either. Hey, looks like ectopics abortions ARE sanctioned: "An ectopic pregnancy is one of the only cases where the foreseeable death of an embryo is allowed, since it is categorized as an indirect abortion. In Humanae Vitae, Paul VI writes that "the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever". This view was also advocated by Pius XII in a 1953 address to the Italian Association of Urology."

    Seems Olmsted would have been okay with a hysterectomy, though: "Using the Thomistic Principle of Totality (removal of a pathological part to preserve the life of the person) and the Doctrine of Double Effect, the only moral action in an ectopic pregnancy where a woman's life is directly threatened is the removal of the tube containing the human embryo (salpingectomy). The death of the human embryo is unintended although foreseen.[68] In Catholic theology, it is never permissible to evacuate the fetus using methotrexate or to incise the Fallopian tube to extract the fetus (salpingostomy), as these procedures are considered to be direct abortions."
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    so if st joes had just made sure this woman could never have children again, they could've kept their affiliation. ridiculous.
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    That's the impression I get. Hello, immovable object!
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    If you don't want to deal with abortion, don't work in area where you can reasonably expect to come across the issue (OB, surgery, actual abortion clinics). Most areas of health & nursing have nothing to do with reproduction. Just pick one of those.
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    Quote from Munch
    It's kind of like the same idea of the certain pharmacists that refuse to fill birth control pills because of their beliefs.
    I would argue it's not the same thing because BC can be used for more than preventing pregnancy. Some people actually use it to GET pregnant. It's not the pharmacist's job to second-guess what the med is prescribed for.
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    I don't understand why there is so much hoopla. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. It is a private decision between a woman and her healthcare provider, and potentially her family or friends. Deal with it or avoid the areas of nursing where you could encounter it. I do consider it to be part of the potential job duties of OB and surgical nurses. If I was against administering chemotherapy, it would be pretty stupid of me to take a job as an oncology nurse and refuse chemo patients, expecting the rest of my co-workers to pick up the slack.

    To me, it's like a teenager getting a job at a retail store and realizing that they have to fold clothes or they'll be fired. It's not about you!! I had a clinical instructor that said it best: "It's not your place to decide for your patients, and if you can't handle the ethical dilemmas in your workplace without being biased, switch specialties."

    The truth is, abortion isn't different from any of the countless other ethical dilemmas we encounter in the hospital. It's simply heated because it makes for a fantastic political soapbox during election time, and as a result, many people have made it their mission to polarize the debate.
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    If any where something to do forcefully, you should leave this. We are not bound for anything, but we should agree to maintain legal rules and regulations.
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    I voluntarily provided care to women undergoing abortions for 13 years, and found it incredibly rewarding. Like it or not, abortion is a legal option, and so I believe in providing this service as safely as possible. Every woman making that choice has a right to high quality care from nonjudgmental providers. Nursing is about caring for patients with compassion, regardless of one's personal feelings about their choices.
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    Quote from AZnurse_2B
    I wish it was as simple as this. Part of the new healthcare plan includes mandates that all hospitals (even those that are Catholic) perform so many abortions each year to qualify for federal funding. If all that actually comes into effect, those hospitals will either comply or be at serious risk of going out of business. This also will mean that hospitals will need nurses to perform those procedures. If this is something that matters to you, it's a great time to speak up and have a voice in the matter.

    As of now though, Catholic hospitals do not typically perform abortions.
    Please cite a link for the above statement.

    I keep abreast of such things and have heard nothing of the sort from legitimate sources.
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