I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine.

leslie :-D · Jun 28, 2009

How true. That John Stossel is a hack corporate shill is not news. Remember the 20/20 organic food story he did, which resulted in ABC reprimanding him for lying about tests conducted and he was forced to apologize on air? He has about as much credibility as his fellow Mediastache club member, Geraldo.

the organic food story, was only 1 of sev'l i was reading about.

blue, you knew this about him and didn't tell me?????:lol_hitti

seriously, i am so, so disappointed.

i really believed him all these yrs.

Without personal credibility he has failed as a journalist. :
he most certainly has.
that is now undisputable.
It is no secret where Michael Moore is coming from. John Stossel pretends to be an impartial journalist when he is not.
bingo.
he's a fraud.
i don't understand how he can be defended as a journalist.
leslie

blue note · Jun 28, 2009

the organic food story, was only 1 of sev'l i was reading about.
blue, you knew this about him and didn't tell me?????:lol_hitti

:lol2: Sorry you got your Stossel bubble burst....

HM2VikingRN, RN · Jun 28, 2009

And now for our regularly scheduled program....

allnurses Guide · Jun 30, 2009

My impression is that she does not know one single person who would trade UHC for the US system.

Correct

But just because she doesn't know some, doesn't mean there aren't some who WOULD trade UHC for the US system. And some who come to the US for care because they are not satisfied with their system.

Obviously I do not know everyone in the world who has UHC (!)... and of COURSE there are those that are dissatisfied with their system (as I said) - but although I can definitely appreciate the flaws in, for example, my country's system does not mean that I would trade it for the US system.

In my health care econ class last night we have a student from Poland who says their health care system is terrible, they are overtaxed and the system is run by the government. She gave examples of her own mom and the mess of her experience with an illness and not being able to be seen for 5 months.

Do you REALLY think you can compare Poland (or Lithuania, or whatever other poor disadvantaged country you can think of with government-run healthcare) with Canada or Australia?

There ARE people in countries with UHC who do not like it.

Of course. Would they swap for the US system? A 5 month wait when you have no insurance is better than a permanent wait with no insurance.

K98 · Jun 30, 2009

My health insurance is just fine. It has covered mine and my family's needs since our children were infants. My son was born with a bilateral cleft and is still being treated at age 18. I don't want the government involved in providing insurance, and I certainly don't want to be taxed to pay for insurance for others.

allnurses Guide · Jun 30, 2009

Do you REALLY think you can compare Poland (or Lithuania, or whatever other poor disadvantaged country you can think of with government-run healthcare) with Canada or Australia?

I wasn't comparing my friend's story with Canada or Australia . . .just telling a story from class.

We are knee-deep in this subject in my econ class - lots of conversation, lots of speakers of all stripes, it is quite an education.

(Did I mention that she had to bribe the nurses to do things for her mom?).

steph

saarein · Jun 30, 2009

Please, I think we have beat this dead horse enough! We will have to agree to disagree on this subject. There are those of us who will not just sit by and accept everything that is hand fed to us. No matter what anyone tells us, we have our principles and ideas of what is right and wrong. I really do think we need a way to vent our frustrations of this mess in a more pragmatic way; taking more of my hard earned money out of my paycheck so other people can enjoy the "right" of having insurance is not the way!

elkpark · Jun 30, 2009

While I'm quite sure that there are individuals, perhaps many individuals, in countries with UHC programs that are dissatisfied with their country's system, I'm not aware (and I do make an effort to stay informed on international healthcare issues) of any country with a UHC system that has any sort of movement to disassemble the UHC system and move to a US-style, laissez-faire, private insurance system. If I'm wrong, I would be happy to be corrected.

HM2VikingRN, RN · Jun 30, 2009

taking more of my hard earned money out of my paycheck so other people can enjoy the "right" of having insurance is not the way!

Except that a payroll tax based system will REPLACE insurance premiums/copays and will lower net costs to individuals..........

see http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#raise_taxes

K98 · Jul 1, 2009

Except that a payroll tax based system will REPLACE insurance premiums/copays and will lower net costs to individuals..........
see http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#raise_taxes

If my health insurance is provided at no cost to me by my employer, how is a payroll tax going to lower my net cost?

elkpark · Jul 1, 2009

If my health insurance is provided at no cost to me by my employer, how is a payroll tax going to lower my net cost?

It's not provided "at no cost to (you)" by your employer -- your employer's not in the "charity" business. The insurance premium each month is just factored into your overall compensation package. It's income that you've earned but never see.

K98 · Jul 1, 2009

It's not provided "at no cost to (you)" by your employer -- your employer's not in the "charity" business. The insurance premium each month is just factored into your overall compensation package. It's income that you've earned but never see.

Negative. I receive no insurance from my current employer. My insurance is part of my retirement compensation. In any case, I don't need more taxes deducted from the meager pay that I receive working as an RN. I took a huge pay cut to become a nurse and I'd like to keep as much of what I make as I can.