Concealed Carry...as a nurse? - page 15

With the current news over gun control and gun rights legislation being pushed through Congress as a result of the tragedies of Aurora, CO, Newtown, CT and the others like them, the thought of... Read More

  1. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    This is a tough issue for us...I believe in our right to bear arms.

    I will go back to my comparison of large capacity magazines to hand grenades...they are too dangerous in the hands of joe blow. We, as a society, have DEMONSTRATED their danger when unregulated at our current level.

    It is true that those who wish to cause mass injury and death will choose a big ugly gun with lots of bullets over a baseball bat...if they didn't we would likely be talking about regulating bats.
  2. Visit  twinmommy+2 profile page
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    Here is another site with some good bare bones information, just statistics.

    Gun Control - Just Facts
  3. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Quote from tewdles
    This is a tough issue for us...I believe in our right to bear arms.

    I will go back to my comparison of large capacity magazines to hand grenades...they are too dangerous in the hands of joe blow. We, as a society, have DEMONSTRATED their danger when unregulated at our current level.

    It is true that those who wish to cause mass injury and death will choose a big ugly gun with lots of bullets over a baseball bat...if they didn't we would likely be talking about regulating bats.
    Since this thread is about nurses and concealed carry, I don't think that bats are really an issue. If a gun is hard to hide in scrubs, I would think a bat would be darn near impossible :P

    But since you speak about regulating, I will just repeat what has been said many, many times. Regulating them will not take guns away from people who are likely to engage in violent, criminal activity with them.
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  4. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    Since this thread is about nurses and concealed carry, I don't think that bats are really an issue. If a gun is hard to hide in scrubs, I would think a bat would be darn near impossible :P

    But since you speak about regulating, I will just repeat what has been said many, many times. Regulating them will not take guns away from people who are likely to engage in violent, criminal activity with them.
    You are not required to conceal your bat as you would be to conceal your weapon in many states. So you could just openly carry that.

    No, just like traffic and DUI laws don't prevent stupid and irresponsible people from harming others with the vehicles, it does serve to decrease the incidence.
  5. Visit  dinobotprime profile page
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    Actually, they are in a way, depending on the victims and the circumstances. Remember swords, knives and baseball bats can kill large amount of people in a short amount of time especially if the victims are all children and the one or two occasional adults. Please remember, the primarily mass killing weapon prior to guns were swords especially when armies sack cities in ancient and medieval times.

    The answer to your question is this, mass murderers favor guns over baseball bats for one simple reason, they can hit their victims quicker. But remember, shoot quicker does not mean kill quickly . Ask any combat soldier or law enforcement officer about that little fact. Unless you can put a bullet into the brain or the heart at the right spot or even major blood vessels, there is a good chance that many victims of gun violence might survive their injuries especially with today's modern medicine. Heck, a lot of criminals who got shot during home invasions get to drive to the hospital on their own power to get treated for gun shot wounds.

    It actually depends. In some places, car bombs are the weapons of choice to kill a large number of people from a very safe distance in a very short period of time. Seriously though, mass murderers always get the choice of weapons to use from guns, swords, knives, baseball bats, to explosives, to molotov cocktails, chemicals and vehicles, the choice of time, the choice of locations and the choice of victims. Those who will use baseball bats, knives or swords to use as a weapon of mass murder will usually select the weakest like children and old people.
    Many assailants who want to kill a large number of people with a gun typically have an advantage knowing the location, the type of people who frequent that location and sometimes, the response time of law enforcement. That's the reason why gun free locations always attract mass murderers because they know that the response time will permit them to kill x amount of people before they kill themselves, get killed or they surrender.
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  6. Visit  billyboblewis profile page
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    Interesting opinion for a nurse.
  7. Visit  billyboblewis profile page
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    and you never know when your best friend or relative is going to go craz
  8. Visit  maelstrom143 profile page
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    All in support of CCW, also self defense, and fitness. Love weapons and bodybuilding. Don't take to work cause against policy (but nothing illegal about keeping in truck w/proper safeguards), but just because you don't have a weapon to hand does not make you helpless
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  9. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Quote from billyboblewis
    and you never know when your best friend or relative is going to go craz
    Relevance please?
  10. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26

    Relevance please?
    ^There IS a relevance...

    The person that shot me had a acute psychosis attack that went untreated, was suicidal, came to a point that he shot me seven times and subsequently committed suicide.

    He went through the proper channels to be a legal gun owner, yet, the gun he used was a "straw" gun...serial numbers were sawed off, so the investigators couldn't trace the gun sale.

    I have heard more stories of people who were "gun enthusiasts" and family people and pillars of their community, but then gun down their family and kill themselves. There are at least 1-3 incidents in my state per year.

    No one never knows when a personal "crisis" is going to occur, and how they are going to react. That's a reality. People do "snap" and react violently. And some make a choice to use a gun.
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    Quote from LadyFree28

    ^There IS a relevance...

    The person that shot me had a acute psychosis attack that went untreated, was suicidal, came to a point that he shot me seven times and subsequently committed suicide.

    He went through the proper channels to be a legal gun owner, yet, the gun he used was a "straw" gun...serial numbers were sawed off, so the investigators couldn't trace the gun sale.

    I have heard more stories of people who were "gun enthusiasts" and family people and pillars of their community, but then gun down their family and kill themselves. There are at least 1-3 incidents in my state per year.

    No one never knows when a personal "crisis" is going to occur, and how they are going to react. That's a reality. People do "snap" and react violently. And some make a choice to use a gun.
    Ok sure, but compare gun crimes where victim knows aggressor, much less related to them to those where both are strangers.
    First, if someone snaps, they will do so with or without a gun. Have any stats on 'snappers' who use knifes, bats, frying pans, etc?
    Besides, a few cases a year don't mean as much as you say. Case in point: how many cases, in your state, of male relatives who abuse kids? Because it happens, should I bar my child's uncles, grandparents, heck, maybe even her father from seeing her? Or maybe I shouldnt ever put her in school or let her play sports because it happens that teachers and coaches abuse too. See what I mean?
  12. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26

    Ok sure, but compare gun crimes where victim knows aggressor, much less related to them to those where both are strangers.
    First, if someone snaps, they will do so with or without a gun. Have any stats on 'snappers' who use knifes, bats, frying pans, etc?
    Besides, a few cases a year don't mean as much as you say. Case in point: how many cases, in your state, of male relatives who abuse kids? Because it happens, should I bar my child's uncles, grandparents, heck, maybe even her father from seeing her? Or maybe I shouldnt ever put her in school or let her play sports because it happens that teachers and coaches abuse too. See what I mean?
    ^ I see your perspective, however, domestic violence, child abuse, goes underrreported. The point I think the PP is getting at, is if a gun is readily available, the option to use it has more magnitude than a gun.

    My perp went out and got a gun, and let me KNOW it...because of the power it entailed for him, because HE felt powerless.

    Again, the relativity of a person in crisis carries some form of hopelessness and powerlessness. That's why people do lash out. The point from MY perspective is what we should do about WHEN these individuals are presented and the intent to use a gun. Again, I'm more focused on what solutions I can provide, because you can't get rid of every gun. It's impossible, and illogical to believe that. What is logical, is thinking up solutions to access to mental health, education,
    whatever solutions we need, because the cost of survivors of gun violence isn't cheap, and it effects us all.
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  13. Visit  Sadala profile page
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    I conceal carry at work legally. I have a permit. (I do not work in the medical field at this time). I have NEVER drawn my gun. But if it became necessary in order to protect myself or someone else, I would use it.
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