Are nurses forced to assist abortions? - page 5

Hello, I'm looking into a career as an RN and I am just curious - Are nurses forced to assist abortions? I've heard recently of several nurses being forced to assist or they lose their job. Is this... Read More

  1. Visit  JZ_RN profile page
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    No one forces you to do anything. If you work someplace that provides abortions, and you don't want to participate, you are free to go work someplace else. If you disagree with it, that's fine. It's an option that is available to patients if they want it, should be discussed if a patient wants to discuss it, and you cannot discriminate against them for their personal decisions.
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  3. Visit  Karen profile page
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    Totally False

    Quote from AZnurse_2B
    I wish it was as simple as this. Part of the new healthcare plan includes mandates that all hospitals (even those that are Catholic) perform so many abortions each year to qualify for federal funding. If all that actually comes into effect, those hospitals will either comply or be at serious risk of going out of business. This also will mean that hospitals will need nurses to perform those procedures. If this is something that matters to you, it's a great time to speak up and have a voice in the matter.

    As of now though, Catholic hospitals do not typically perform abortions.
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  4. Visit  sauconyrunner profile page
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    I have to admit, I never liked OB, so I thought, whew never going to be an issue to me.

    As an Emergency RN, I had a lot of opportunity to care for women who were either considering abortion or had had one and were now having complications. Never had a problem with that. I always felt a great deal of compassion for these women because they were usually already embarassed and shamed, and frankly speaking, I thought about What Jesus would do- forgive them and show them love.

    Went overseas...and was asked if I would mind assisting with this procedure. I have to admit...I do mind. I could not do it at all.
    Despite this, I believe that abortion should remain a legal procedure.
    I just realized I can not be part of the providers. Those people I think are very unique and special, very strong minded.

    So actually, I do not think thinking about this ahead of time is such a bad idea. I wish I had, I was asked at a meeting and really was speechless.
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  5. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    federal law prohibits forcing nurses or others to participate in abortion.
    u. s. code title 42 > chapter 6a > subchapter viii > 300a-7 states:
    prohibition of public officials and public authorities from imposition of certain requirements contrary to religious beliefs or moral convictions


    the receipt of any grant, contract, loan, or loan guarantee under the public health service act [42 u.s.c. 201 et seq.], the community mental health centers act [42 u.s.c. 2689 et seq.], or the developmental disabilities services and facilities construction act [42 u.s.c. 6000 et seq.] by any individual or entity does not authorize any court or any public official or other public authority to require--
    (1) such individual to perform or assist in the performance of any sterilization procedure or abortion if his performance or assistance in the performance of such procedure or abortion would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions; ...

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42...0---a007-.html
  6. Visit  MN-Nurse profile page
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    ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!

    RUN!!!!

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  7. Visit  windsurfer8 profile page
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    Where did you "hear" that nurses were forced to do abortions? Some hardcore anti abortion group? NO ONE is forced to do a damn thing. Chill out. And guess what..you will have patients who are...DIVORCED! Wait..isn't that a "sin" as well? Will you take care of those people? Will you provide care to atheists? Will you provide care to people who covet their neighbors wife? Will you provide care for anyone you disagree with? You better be ready to check yourself a bit before you become a fricking nurse.
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  8. Visit  bookbunny profile page
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    I agree with you - a doctor I know does not believe in prescribing birth control pills due to his strict religious beliefs, and he is clear with all his patients about this boundary, so if the patient isn't OK with his beliefs, they must find another doctor. I admire him not because I agree with him or share his religion, but because he still has moral boundaries and practices medicine. Without moral boundaries in medicine, (although extreme) one can end up working for that crazy doctor on trial - you know, the one with the abortion clinic who delivered live babies - and murdered them.

    I have battled with the abortion question all my life. It is only recently after taking Anatomy and Physiology II that I realized my stance for the first time in my life. Logically, if we declare death based on brain activity ceasing, then shouldn't we "declare life" the moment brain activity begins? Brain wave activity in the embryo is detected during month 2.

    I have moral boundaries as well - I am committed to life for both the mother - and the baby. Yes, in rare instances, it is smarter to save 1 if both are at risk, but if both are healthy - I personally could not assist in termination of life. I would feel like an "accessory" to a spiritual crime. I am choosing nursing as a career to keep my soul clean - not to intellectualize bad, moral deeds for the sake of "women's freedom." But then again, I am not yet an RN, so please forgive me if I am speaking from medical ignorance here.

    Lastly, the irony is, if we ask most women who have had an abortion - studies show that many do not experience profound "freedom" but rather deep, emotional, and sometimes lifetime anguish and turmoil that affects future relationships and can have an effect on future children. What may be a short term solution can result in long term, irreversible spiritual suffering - no matter what one's religious beliefs may be.
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  9. Visit  bookbunny profile page
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    Where did you "hear" that nurses were forced to do abortions? Some hardcore anti abortion group? NO ONE is forced to do a damn thing. Chill out. And guess what..you will have patients who are...DIVORCED! Wait..isn't that a "sin" as well? Will you take care of those people? Will you provide care to atheists? Will you provide care to people who covet their neighbors wife? Will you provide care for anyone you disagree with? You better be ready to check yourself a bit before you become a fricking nurse.
    I agree with you that "no one is forced to do a * thing," yet, I don't quite understand your reasoning when you compare abortion to divorcees. Unless the divorcee is asking the nurse to assist in "permanent termination of an unwanted spouse" then I am led to believe abortion and divorce are not truly under the same category. With a divorce, (or in your other example, atheism) both people (or person) can remain healthy and continue on with their lives. With an abortion, only one person gets to continue on with their life.

    I am not saying you are wrong or anyone is wrong here - I am just saying, we all have our own boundaries of what we will and won't tolerate. I agree with you, just like with your advice you provided, this is good to explore before one becomes a nurse. In medicine, there's a need in every niche, just like in business. Knowing our own boundaries can help to define what niche we are willing to serve.
  10. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    Ah, but we all must remember that as a nurse, we must also explore why it is that our personal boundries would have a thing to do with what someone else chooses to do regarding their own body and own health.
    Just because one personally believes something to be wrong, doesn't mean everyone does. Just because personally one would not have an abortion, take birth control, smoke and have COPD, eat incorrectly and have high blood pressure or diabetes doesn't mean that the patient's one encounters will not.
    A huge part of nursing is to be non-judgemental in the care you provide. There are waivers that one can sign that state that nurses prefer not to take part in what they believe to be morally incorrect. However, as a general rule, we are there to care for patients, not take some sort of moral/ethical stance.
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  11. Visit  mwithquestions profile page
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    Where did you "hear" that nurses were forced to do abortions? Some hardcore anti abortion group? NO ONE is forced to do a damn thing. Chill out. And guess what..you will have patients who are...DIVORCED! Wait..isn't that a "sin" as well? Will you take care of those people? Will you provide care to atheists? Will you provide care to people who covet their neighbors wife? Will you provide care for anyone you disagree with? You better be ready to check yourself a bit before you become a fricking nurse.
    As a nursing student, I have had similar, if not the same, questions.

    To all of you who have criticized lookingintoRN for an honest question that regards a belief he/she obviously holds dear, shame on you and maybe you should "chill out". This person is trying to figure out whether or not they will be able to perform their job as a nurse or even pursue a career in nursing while maintaining their moral integrity. To turn this into an avenue for ugly remarks, political debates, anger at religious groups, and generalizations towards people who disagree with abortion is both counterproductive and immature. This person was asking for help, not condemning others, which is what many of you have so willingly done to lookingintoRN.

    Also would like to point out that just because one does not believe in abortion does not make them judgmental to a patient who chooses to have an abortion, nor does this mean that their beliefs, or as many of you called "prejudices", will get in the way of how they treat a patient on a personal level. Just because a healthcare provider may not agree with and even opt out of assisting in an abortion does not mean they treat the patient any less human. Each patient deserves equal respect.

    So back lookingintoRN's ACTUAL question...
    There are ways to avoid this. As many have already stated, choose a field in which abortion will not be an issue and choose your place of employment wisely. Here is what I found on the topic as far as what is legally required of nurses that might be helpful. This is a code of ethics published by the American Nurses Association.

    http://www.nursingworld.org/MainMenu...-of-Ethics.pdf
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  12. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    Quote from nursewithquestions
    As a nursing student, I have had similar, if not the same, questions.

    To all of you who have criticized lookingintoRN for an honest question that regards a belief he/she obviously holds dear, shame on you and maybe you should "chill out". This person is trying to figure out whether or not they will be able to perform their job as a nurse or even pursue a career in nursing while maintaining their moral integrity. To turn this into an avenue for ugly remarks, political debates, anger at religious groups, and generalizations towards people who disagree with abortion is both counterproductive and immature. This person was asking for help, not condemning others, which is what many of you have so willingly done to lookingintoRN.

    Also would like to point out that just because one does not believe in abortion does not make them judgmental to a patient who chooses to have an abortion, nor does this mean that their beliefs, or as many of you called "prejudices", will get in the way of how they treat a patient on a personal level. Just because a healthcare provider may not agree with and even opt out of assisting in an abortion does not mean they treat the patient any less human. Each patient deserves equal respect.

    So back lookingintoRN's ACTUAL question…
    There are ways to avoid this. As many have already stated, choose a field in which abortion will not be an issue and choose your place of employment wisely. Here is what I found on the topic as far as what is legally required of nurses that might be helpful. This is a code of ethics published by the American Nurses Association.

    http://www.nursingworld.org/MainMenu...-of-Ethics.pdf
    A.This thread was started in 2011.
    B. This thread has had no activity since almost a year ago.
    C. The OP hasn't posted since 2011.
    D. Why would you dig up an old thread to berate other posters? First, no one was criticizing the OP but offering insight into the fact that if one feels unable to participate in abortions that the onus is on that person to find a job where that situation will not occur. Perfectly logical.
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  13. Visit  mwithquestions profile page
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    Like the original poster, I have done research on topics like abortion and other ethical dilemmas one will face in the nursing field before deciding to enter the field myself. I came across this thread, as it addressed one of the topics I have researched and am currently writing a paper on, and read through each page to see what options/advice people offered to the OP. I agree, choosing a job outside the medical field is a perfectly logical option, which I stated in my original post. Although some were truly offering helpful advice, there were others who undeniably took this to the extreme like the user quoted in my previous post. If you were the OP, you would find comments like that helpful? I certainly would not.
    That being said, I was not trying to dig up old dirt or berate other users by any means, just simply felt that the way some were responding to the OP's question was unnecessary and uncalled for, regardless of what year it is. And since I found a source that might be helpful, I felt compelled to share. Not trying to start a war here, just sympathized with the OP since many of us have been in his/her shoes with similar questions.
  14. Visit  toomuchbaloney profile page
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    If a nurse is fearful that he/she might have to participate in something like abortion it is wise for that nurse to avoid specialties where abortion might be a consideration. END OF PROBLEM.

    Don't make your religious sensibilities a problem for your employer or your patients.
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